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Runnin' Down a Dream: Mike Campbell

Tom Guerra
Premier Guitar April 2008

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Mike Campbell What were you playing the Goya through?

My first amp was my record player. My dad was an electrician and he had a record player that was all in pieces, so I just plugged my guitar into that.


Did you have a group at this point?

I was just trying to learn how to play; I’d get together in the garage with friends occasionally and try to play “Louie, Louie” or something like that. I didn’t really get a group together until I went to college; then I met Tom and joined his group called Mudcrutch.


In the movie, it shows that Mudcrutch left Florida in 1974 for the West Coast, and within a few days you had several record contract offers and eventually signed with Denny Cordell – that seems unbelievable, especially in this day and age.

Yes it was, but it was a different time back then, and record companies were a little more concerned with artistic development and less concerned about the bottom line. Especially Cordell, who really had an artistic vision and who was really helpful to us, as they touch on in the film. He had made lots of records to be respected, and he really saw a germ of talent in Tom’s songwriting. He really nurtured it, and kind of helped us filter out what was good and what wasn’t good about what we were doing. He was tremendously helpful in getting us on the right path.


Mike Campbell That first Heartbreakers album has some great guitar tones on it – do you remember what you were playing?

Most of the guitar tones on that first record were Tom playing my ’64 Stratocaster and me on a ‘50s Broadcaster through a tweed Fender Deluxe and a [1970s] Fender Super Six, which were in the Shelter Records studio.

That Stratocaster was something I had gotten for $200, and I didn’t have the money, so someone had fronted it to me. I did like the guitar sounds on that record, especially the crunch of that tweed Deluxe, which is like the one Neil Young uses that has such a beautiful distortion.


I saw your most recent tour last summer and know that you are using dozens of guitars live, but what's your current stage amp setup?

We have a combination of things; on the last few tours, we brought the [Vox] Super Beatles back after having retired them for a while because they are really loud, and as we got older it was harder to sing over that volume. We brought them back because we missed some of the tones that we used to get from them. Those Super Beatles are on stage now - I'm not actually playing through them but Tom does on a couple of songs. Behind them are the things that we are actually using in the mix.

Right now my favorite setup, which I kinda found with my little band in the clubs but I use onstage now with the Heartbreakers, is a tweed Deluxe and a blackface Fender Princeton together behind the Super Beatle, and an isolated Vox AC30 that I have backstage in a box. The guy up front can pull up any of those amps that fit the room that night, but mostly it's the blackface Princeton and the tweed Deluxe, which is a '59. Those two amps sound really great together.


You came out of the era of the big guitar hero, but you managed to avoid all the excess wanking that made a lot of their records seem self-indulgent and ultimately sound very dated. I have always likened you to a George Harrison or Keith Richards type of player; someone that was always very sympathetic to playing exactly what fit the song versus showboating.

We came up out of Florida and at that time, there were a lot of Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd-type bands. And we liked that stuff, but what we loved even more than that was early Beatles and the Stones - three-minute songs, with good guitar parts and not necessarily long guitar solos. We just preferred that style of music, and figured out early on that all of those other bands were trying to sound like the Allman Brothers, and we didn't want to do that, we wanted to do what we liked. And that's really always been our approach!


How do you approach soloing? Do you work stuff out beforehand, simply let it flow, or is it a combination of both?

The song comes in, and the purpose is to serve the song, not the guitar part. You used George Harrison and Keith Richards as examples; really cool rhythm parts played between the vocal, with a short solo that says something then gets out of the way for the next vocal. It's a challenge to make your statement in a short amount of time, but I prefer that challenge as opposed to just stretching out. We can do that too, and nowadays we will stretch out a few things, but anytime that it starts to drift away from the song, we kind of lose interest.


Mike Campbell What really comes across in the new DVD is that besides the respect the Heartbreakers have for their music, there seems to be a genuine love for each other, too.

I think that's right - that's what hit me when I saw the film. It was like, "God, we really like each other!" [laughs] I mean, guys don't sit around saying, "Hey, I love you man," but when I saw the film I thought, hey, there really is a love here, and we stuck together through a lot of hard times because we really have strong feelings for the music we make together. And it's not an act, it's true love.


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Rebecca - Web Ed
on 02/18/2010
liberty - it's from our April 2008 issue.
liberty
on 02/18/2010
what year is this interview from?
SPaCe KRiCKeTs
on 12/23/2009
The first time I heard the song Breakdown (back in 78) I was immediatley hooked, what a great sound ... what band is this? It took awhile for me to figure out why I was so influenced by TP, I mean he is not the greatest singer, the tunes are simple at best the HBs flaunted no image that I recall. Well it took sometime to figure it out for me and I get it now ... it was the straight up no-frills rock, no pretenciousness. It was (and is still) the whole package but as a singer songwriter myself I don't find myself writing Tom Petty sounding songs, what I find myself doing is constanly borrowing Mike's riffs ... he is my favorite guitarist for many reasons but the main reason is that he plays for the song. Cheers Mike! Merry Christmas to you and yours.
FloridaMusic
on 09/29/2009
Just found this article, a little late. But I'm glad I did.

Mike, you're one of the greats. You must know that another swell of musical talent is rising again in Gainesville at this time. Check it out. I bet Stan and Jeff (Simms) would be thrilled to see you join with them to help this new crop of Gainesville green (musicians that is...) go stellar. Keep on rockin'
Official Live 'Leg
on 08/22/2008
Mike did a great job the first time I saw him play with TP at the Paramount in Seattle for a buck. Honest. The concert series was called "Catch a Rising Star". It was their first tour and they even told the audience that the party after the show was at the Edgewater! Then, probably 30 years later, I saw Mike play with TP at The Gorge, August 2008. Except for the dreds and the beard it was like time had stood still. And it was just as great as ever. Humble, polite, reverent and brilliant. Now I just wish I had given him my '54 Strat! He could have done a lot more with it than I ever did!
BREAKDOWN REFUGEE
on 08/21/2008
MIKE USES A LOT OF BOXES DAVIE ALLAN USES. Davie Allan & The Arrows ....Moving Right Along is CD of the year and you don't even know about it! Why? Because he is underground baby!Why is he underground? It's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it! He is moppin' the stage with his Jazzmaster while others get the rub. Fender is honoring a Jazzmaster guitar. Davie is playing his honorable!LISTEN TO THE GUITAR MAN!
Doc H.
on 08/14/2008
We saw the band in Minneapolis, excellent concert! I miss Stan but was blown away by Steve's performance on the drums. We were thrilled with his precision and power, but Stan had always been more "into" the live performance. Fortunately, the band had great energy and delivered a show we will never forget.
aka beach guy
on 07/30/2008
Saw Mike both in Cincinnati and Fort Lauderdale on the 2008 tour and the highest compliment I can pay to him, Tom and the band is that each concert seemed like the best concert I had ever been to. Mike's quitar work is amazing, and he always makes a point of connecting with the crowd. Those around me in Fort Lauderdale kept repeating themselves on every song what a great quitar player Mike is! Thanks for the interview, Mike and I hope to see you and the band one last time in Woodlands, TX!
Clint
on 07/30/2008
Just watched Runnin' Down a Dream-changed my whole perspective on Tom and his journey. Mike is Mr Taste! Please come back to Australia and to Perth!
Steve
on 07/13/2008
Just saw TPaTHBs live in Charlotte, NC. Absolutely unbelieveable! First saw them in 1978 and they have not slowed down one bit. One major reason is Mike campbell - absolutely the best. Saw the concert with my daughter and her fiance and I only hope the band continues so we introduce another generation to their music.



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