November 2008 \ Vintage & Upkeep \ Sound Investments \ Collectors vs. Musicians

Collectors vs. Musicians

George Gruhn
Premier Guitar November 2008
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In the vintage guitar business, we often hear the complaint that rich collectors have pushed prices so high that the finest guitars have been taken out of the hands of deserving musicians. This is hardly a new complaint. It’s been circulating for almost 200 years, ever since the emergence of violin collectors in the early 1800s. And the argument was as groundless then as it is now.

Let’s address the last part of the argument first. Are musicians really deserving of these instruments? Well, yes and no. We would all like to hear the finest musicians playing on the finest instruments, of course. But some of the greatest musicians have been among the biggest abusers of guitars—at least from a vintage collectible standpoint. They’ve routed and drilled and refinished and renecked and modified instruments until there’s no originality left, and the only vintage value of the instrument is its celebrity association.

We really shouldn’t vilify musicians for that sort of treatment. After all, in most cases they’re just being pragmatic. As professional musicians, they have to make a living with their instruments, and the instruments must be up to the task at hand. Often, the instrument had no significant value at the time they had their way with it. Nevertheless, musicians often customize instruments in ways that destroy originality.

Collectors make a great contribution in the area of education. Their passion has driven much of the research that has been published on vintage instruments.
Customized instruments also go back at least as far as the violins of the early 1800s. Musicians were not only playing them and inflicting normal wear and tear, they were thinning down the tops with radical re-graduations and replacing the necks. The result was absolutely appalling: There is only one original Stradivarius violin left anywhere in the world. Only six have their original neck. Guitar collectors complain about a broken solder joint or a replaced tuner. Think what it would be like if all but six of the sunburst Les Pauls and pre-CBS Stratocasters had a replaced neck.

Who replaced those necks and made all those other modifications to the Strads? It wasn’t the collectors. It was musicians and their repairmen. Sooner or later, as musical tastes and styles change, the same thing would happen to virtually every guitar left in the possession of working musicians. Musicians should not necessarily be vilified for this, because few would knowingly damage a valuable instrument. More often, they are merely “upgrading” a utility instrument that later becomes collectible.

Ironically, the same group who “damaged” vintage instruments were also the first to recognize their value. It was musicians in the early 1800s who discovered that older Italian instruments sounded better than new factory-made violins, and it was musicians in the 1960s—people like Mike Bloomfield, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page and Stephen Stills— who discovered that some of the older Martins, Gibsons and Fenders sounded better than new ones. Their preference for older instruments caused other musicians and fans to appreciate these instruments and created a desire to own them. As the vintage market grew, the activities of collectors and dealers rooted out many instruments and actually put more good instruments into circulation than they removed.

It’s a short step from owning a special item to wanting to protect it, and that’s where the accusation begins that collectors take instruments out of circulation. It’s true, but only to a point. Owners of valuable violins routinely loan them to musicians so that they can be appreciated by the masses. The nature of rock and roll performance makes this a more dangerous proposition for a Les Paul or Stratocaster than for a Strad in a symphony setting, but owners of great guitars generally like to hear them played.

The late Scott Chinery, for example, had a fabulous collection that he kept in glass display cases, but when he hosted a party to celebrate his Blue Collection of commissioned archtops, he opened up those display cases to provide such notable guitarists as Tal Farlow, Arlen Roth, Jimmy Vivino and G.E. Smith with instruments for a jam session. He also sponsored recordings that used his instruments. So while Chinery may have taken instruments out of general circulation, he by no means retired them.

In addition to protecting instruments, collectors make a great contribution in the area of education. Their passion has driven much of the research that has been published on vintage instruments. Many of those who criticize collectors might never have heard of their coveted instruments in the first place had it not been for collectors’ educational contributions.

The biggest complaint about collectors is that they drive prices up. That’s true, but that’s the nature of any open market where demand exceeds supply. Collectors can’t do anything about it, nor can dealers. The upside of rising prices is that they protect the instruments, because instruments with no value get no respect.

As a final note, let’s imagine what would happen if disgruntled musicians got what they wished for, and all the instruments in collections were released. Musicians would either use them as utility tools, further damaging them, or take better care of them and put them in protective custody. In the latter case, musicians would then become their own worst nightmare: collectors depriving deserving musicians of fine instruments.




George Gruhn
has been dealing vintage guitars since the 1960s. Gruhn’s Guide to Vintage Guitars (co-written with Walter Carter) is the “bible” for vintage collectors. Visit www.gruhn.com or email gruhn@gruhn.com.

     



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pleesr2008
on 11/07/2008
With any collection I believe that there are buyers and a necessity for both. If you want a guitar designer’s first addition never out of the case instrument then all power to you in your search. But I would like a little history in the guitar who used what concert what modifications were made and why. Give me a guitar that was used by Hendrix, BB, Stevie Ray, Clapton or Page anytime.
Richard Silletto
on 11/07/2008
We are very fortunate as musicians to be able to buy new instruments that are built as well and in many cases sound as good or better than the "museum pieces" that (rightfully) cost a small fortune. One should also keep in mind that if you are a good player you can make anything with strings sing. The fact that it wasn't made in the Golden Era should not inhibit your creativity.
As far as Mr. Gruhn's shop is concerned, I had the good fortune of visiting it a few years ago, and not only was I allowed, I was encouraged to play anything in the store, which I did for about 3 hours, and had the time of my life!
joe nyc
on 11/07/2008
i think that commercialization has created a greed driven market for vintage instruments.not every vintage guitar is a "holy grail".collectors always trying to outbid each other to aquire that rare..... nobody but me has one piece.the sounds produced by musical instruments are made to be shared. in the hands of a good musician they are priceless.tone is the key.locked away ,they have no value.....except for the person who someday hopes to turn a profit.
Steve Mcaven
on 11/07/2008
Not to forget, in the 60:s this "old" instruments that musicians prefered instead for the new stuff, were at most 10 year old, not very vintage in my opinion. If I´m not wrong, there were also no Gibson Les Pauls manufactured in the 60:s I agree with Gloria.
Jack LaManna
on 11/06/2008
Mr Gruhn; always insightful always educational. Thank you for an excellent article. I saw Dangerous Curves in Boston a few years ago and the exhibition surely supports your argument about generous collectors. They even displayed a Strad guitar, one of two made. I would just like to add a complication of the collector price effect is fear of gigging with collector quality equipment. I am not rich so my Blackface, old Les Paul, and other vintage equipment stay home because I am not willing to replace. I wouldn't think of modifying but I wouldn't want to damage them either. Love your store.
Mr. Moose
on 11/06/2008
Reading this article, and having been to the Gruhn shop a few years ago, its abundantly clear to me which side of the fence George sits on. I was working in Nashvegas for a week & set aside time to go & look for a Strat and was suprised to see mostly new Custom Shop pieces, which is fine... but I really didn't appreciate being thrown into the little amp closet under the stairs w/o another option. It was maybe 3x4... if that, with a blackface Twin about a foot from my head. That, and the staffs attitude made me glad there's great shops like 30th St & Ludlow Guitars in my backyard where I can pick up an instrument and be made to feel like a criminal. More to the point, I recall the mid-90s 48th St... We Buy Guitars & all that, and finding played preCBS planks for a few grand that had been refretted, refinned & maybe had new pickups. Those always sounded & played better then the "mint" vintage pieces which were always too heavy or too dead... I'd like to imagine that the guitars that got played were the "good" pieces when they were new.
Gloria Magnanakaw
on 10/19/2008
I say that the original intent of makers of instruments is for their instruments to be played. That's the primary reason why so many trees has to be cut down...so that music will be played, instruments used and not displayed in glass boxes to be played sporadically.



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