November 2008 \ Features \ Artist Interview \ Roger McGuinn: Rickenbackers, Martins & Byrds

Roger McGuinn: Rickenbackers, Martins & Byrds

Bob Cianci

An interview with Roger McGuinn, with notes from Rickenbacker's John Hall and the Byrds' Chris Hillman


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Roger McGuinn For many who hear the name Roger McGuinn, the first thing that comes to mind is that unmistakable Rickenbacker 12-string guitar. Roger has been associated with that guitar since his earliest days as a member of The Byrds, a group that was influenced by George Harrison and another groundbreaking British band, the Searchers. Although McGuinn has played other electric guitars over the years, and is also known as an acoustic folk artist of considerable magnitude, he still remains the undisputed king of the Rick 12.


After The Byrds broke up in 1973, Roger maintained an electric band until 1981, and then began performing solo and has been ever since. Now in his mid-sixties, Roger and Camilla, his wife/road manager, tour in a well-equipped van carrying only the essentials: several guitars, a banjo, and a few electronic devices (he’s always been a lover of gadgetry and collects vintage transistor radios) along with their personal belongings. McGuinn picks and chooses his gigs carefully, avoiding outdoor shows, clubs, bars and church venues. He continues to sell out shows wherever he plays—no simple feat for this folk/rock survivor and member of the Rock n’ Roll Hall of Fame. I questioned Roger extensively about a possible reformation of The Byrds. Although some of that conversation remains on the cutting room floor, McGuinn’s position is clear. He has no interest in putting the Byrds back together.


Let’s start by discussing your current stage equipment. What are you using right now?
All the guitars I use are signature models, such as the Rickenbacker 370/12/RM— similar to a triple pickup 370—a Martin D12-42/RM and Martin HD-7, the seven string model Martin designed with input from me. I also use a banjo that I got from Bernie Leadon, formerly of The Eagles, and in return I gave him a new Fender Mastertone banjo. It’s a combination of old Vega and Ode banjo parts. It’s one of the best banjos I’ve ever played. I took it to Pete Seeger’s house recently and he played it and gave it his stamp of approval.

You are most closely associated with the Rickenbacker 12-string. Would you tell us how you came to use that guitar in the early days of The Byrds? Also, what that guitar has meant to you as your sonic “signature” over the years?
We went as a group to see A Hard Day’s Night multiple times and were totally taken with The Beatles. I liked George Harrison’s Rickenbacker 12, but I couldn’t find one that looked like his with the pointy cutaways, so I bought the blonde 360 model. I thought it was beautiful, like a golden palomino and the checkerboard binding reminded me of Gene Autry or Roy Rogers. I loved that guitar and played it eight hours a day.

It was later stolen and I discovered that it was auctioned off in England for over $100,000. Given the statute of limitations and the difficulty in dealing with laws in a foreign country, there wasn’t much I could do, even though I considered myself the legal and rightful owner.

Your sound has always been marked by the use of compression on the Rick 12. You used to record directly into the board. What brand of compressor was it?
I don’t know what they used in the Columbia Studios, but I do know they were tube-driven. Using compression was the idea of Ray Gerhardt, one of the house engineers at Columbia. They had no experience working with rock n’ roll bands and were scared we’d blow out their equipment, so they used compression in an attempt to protect themselves! I know they were very nervous about recording us. [Author’s Note: Ray Gerhardt was an award-winning engineer, famed for his work on records by Percy Faith and other easy listening artists of the day.]

How did you recreate your compressed studio tone onstage back in the days when stompboxes were in their infancy?
I never did. Paul Kantner of Jefferson Airplane, who also played a Rickenbacker 12, turned me on to the Vox Treble Booster in 1966. I took the Rick apart and installed it in the guitar. It really was an outboard box that gave me some gain, but no compression. Later, we got a rack compressor that we used on gigs, but in the early days, I couldn’t get compression onstage until we got that rack. I tried all the compressors available, including the Dyna-Comp and the Boss, but didn’t like any of them. Not until Rickenbacker designed my signature guitar with the built-in compressor, did I find one that worked for me.

Were you involved in the design of your onboard compressor?
No, an engineer from Rickenbacker designed it. He left shortly after and went to work for Fender, I think. John Hall could tell you who he was. [Author’s Note: See John Hall sidebar.]

When Rickenbacker stopped producing your signature guitar, that compressor was discontinued along with the guitar. I’m surprised they never marketed a stompbox version of it.
It was the best sounding compressor I ever used until the Janglebox came along. I suppose it was because Rickenbacker is not in the effects business. I did the entire Back From Rio album with that Rick compressor. The Janglebox is now the bestsounding compressor on the market in my opinion—I use it all the time. It’s clean and quiet, and it sounds very close to the built-in one I have in the 370/12/RM. As far as that guitar goes, they produced a thousand and sold every one. John Hall won’t reissue it because he wants to keep the collectible mystique alive, I suppose, but I wish he would reissue it.

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Steven Spinner
on 02/14/2011
The best of the best. Roger brings me back to the days of my teens when I first taught myself to play guitar. Always loved the 12 string. I owned a 67 Gibson 12 string, bought new, but always wanted a RIC 12 string. Ten years ago I bought a RIC 330-6 string, and now at age 59 for my birthday, I just got a Rickenbacker 360-12 string. Life is good. Honestly there has not been a band since then that I have enjoyed more than The Byrds. Thanks guys.
Ed Benson
on 09/14/2010
I just paid for a Rickenbacker 370 and also a special bridge that has 12 saddles verses the stock six. In addition, my Janglebox arrived yesterday. I played my new American Stratocaster through it and it definitely gave the guitar a different .. an at first slight hesitant followed by a long ring. Even the dark switch is great for doing like blues work. I ordered my Ric a little over a month ago and that's all I need to start a group again.
John Yuknalis
on 08/07/2010
Yes Bill, Chris has always been playing bluegrass. In
fact, wwhen the Byrds reunited with Roger and Dave he said it was the 1st time he'd picked up the bass in years.
Saw him play B/G here in Pittsburgh around 10 years ago with
one other guy. He even did some Byrd songs on mandolin.
Fortunate to meet with him and asked him about tuning
during the Byrd days. They apparently all tuned to Roger's
12 string.
Bill
on 01/10/2010
Chris Hillman, I believe, came out of the west coast bluegrass genre, as a mandolinist. I always loved his work, regardless of whe he was playing with.
John Yuknalis
on 08/20/2009
I have the limited edition Roger McGuinn 370/12 and it is a beauty! It is a perfectly balanced guitar and almost plays
itself once it is in tune...I mean, the weight of the guitar, the design of the body, the fret placement all help your fingers to glide. Still need to have it autographed by Roger!Played it at an open mic and the MC was opened mouthed about it, he called it "the cadillac of guitars!"
John Yuknalis
on 03/16/2009
I'm so lucky! I saw the ORIGINAL band - all five -
on stage in 1965 (?) in Pittsburgh's Civic Arena. [Now called the Mellon Arena and known more for the Penguins Hockey team.]

It was a magical night: Mr. T..Man, Feel A Whole Lot Better, the songs kept coming and they wore the outfits
from Turn Turn Turn. My head spins to this day as others on the bill were The Rolling Stones and BoDiddley. I can't
remember the others. It was called-as I remember-A Calvacade of Stars! Indeed. The only thing absent that night was not opening the movable circular roof of the Arena. The previous year I saw THE BEATLES in the same place...I could go on... And today developers want to tear
this historic achitectural wonder down@#$#$@##??!!?

Later, in Buffalo NY, at a summer outdoor festival I caught
the Byrds lineup with Clarence White. I was 30 feet away.
Memorable. Over ten years ago I met Roger at his Pittsburgh
concert. Saw him again last year.

And I've also met Crosby and Mr Hillman here in Pittsburgh.
I have been so fortunate, thank God. Woul love to play a
few of my songs with Roger. Dreams do come true.

Those are my memories. John Yuknalis
Robert Lagan
on 12/15/2008
Bob,

Fine interview with Roger. Well done !

Rob - Sydney Australia
Bill Summers
on 12/07/2008
I saw Roger in 1976 with Thunderbyrd. He played with guitarist James I. Smith, and bassist "Buffalo Bruce" Barlow of Commander Cody and his Lost Planet Airmen fame. I never got the drummer's name, but he was excellent too. I sure wish they had kept that project going a bit longer. They played all the classic Byrds songs, and then some. Roger even played his "Lightshow" Rickenbacker on Eight Miles High. I was far too young to have known much about the Byrds in their heyday, but this was an excellent taste of what it must have been like. I wish Roger would at least put this back together if he doesn't wanna do a Byrds reunion. I now have my own Rickenbacker 370/12 guitar and a Janglebox. It sounds great through a Fender Acoustisonic amplifier, though for that matter, it sounds great through any amplifier. I silently thank Roger for the gift he gave us every time I pick the thing up. He spawned a new interest in the 12-string guitar that continues on through this very day. Thank you Roger, and thank you fellow Byrds and McGuinn fans.
Clem Trout
on 12/04/2008
As someone who was there in August, 2000 for the night that Roger, Chris & David reunited on stage for 2 songs (at the Fred Walecki benefit), "magic" doesn't even get to close to describing it. When they hit the first harmony together, the smiles on their faces were something I'll never forget. Everyone in Santa Monica Civic Audtorium, audience, performers, crew, were MEZMERIZED. I agree they shouldn't try to get together again...the lasting memory is perfection.
Daniel J. Kruse
on 10/30/2008
I agree Paul. Those beautiful ethereal harmonies, let alone, that gorgeous Rickenbacker 12 string. A funny little aside here for the readers. I attended parochial school as an elementary student, and for a while, after Eric Burdon's release of "Monterey" a group of us little punks always liked singing the line, "The Byrds and the Airplane;they fly!" Finally one day, a nun on the playground asked me,"What is this Byrds and Airplane stuff?" I explained, diplomatically of course, that it was a reference to two of the greatest bands around. Even at age 11, I was no novice when it came to rock-n-roll info. The Byrds man...it just doesn't get any better. Mr. McGuinn and I also share the same birth date.



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