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After the Fall: The State of the Vintage Guitar Market

Adam Moore

At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market?


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A forest of guitars on the floor of the Chicago Guitar Show.
At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market? We head to the Chicago Guitar Show to find out. Sitting with Dave Crocker and John Brinkmann, two parts of the prominent 4 Amigos show organization, on the second day of the Chicago Guitar Show, things were both looking and sounding better than they expected. I’d made the four-hour drive to St. Charles, IL, to spend a day finding out what state the vintage guitar market was in, and the first impressions were promising.

There was a steady, robust stream of players coming through the doors of the 23,000 square foot DuPage Expo Center, even on one of the first truly beautiful weekend afternoons of the summer season. The tabletops stretched from corner to corner without leaving any significant holes in the floor plan, and all were well stocked with beautiful pieces. Abbreviated guitar and amp demos bounced off the walls and floated around the room—thanks to flyers littered around the hall requesting that players limit their testing to one minute, for the sake of the acoustic dealers in attendance. Dealers eyed the front entrance for walk-ins. You might not call it a smash success, but for all intents and purposes, everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves. I asked the two amigos about their impressions of the show thus far.


Dave Crocker (left) and John Brinkman (right).
“Saturday was a good day. Traffic was about what it was last year, maybe down a little bit,” says Crocker, a 30-year veteran of the vintage world and owner of Fly-By-Night Music in Neosho, MO. I got the feeling that he keeps a very precise pulse on the show’s comings and goings, and that he’s been pleasantly surprised by the outcome. “We’re not seeing as much stuff walk in as we did last year, but there have been a few pieces—a ’58 EB2 [Gibson electric bass] just walked in with an original owner.”

Although it may seem a bit odd for a longtime show organizer and savvy vintage player to be pleased with flat traffic numbers, it’s a sharp reflection of the odd place the vintage market has found itself in. Recently one of the hottest investment opportunities available to people with nostalgic memories and cash to burn, the vintage market is now down 20 to 30 percent from its 2007 peak, with oversaturated pockets of the market down even further. It has been battered by the same economic forces that have plagued every other collectible market in the US, from muscle cars to guns. An accelerating foreclosure rate, pervasive consumer uncertainty and a drastic contraction of the credit markets brought the emphasis from high-end investments and “pleasure” purchases back to the essentials.

But, interestingly enough, even as the general economic news continues to look unimpressive at best, most of the dealers gathered for the third show of the 4 Amigos 2009 calendar seemed to be optimistic, albeit cautiously so. Perhaps it’s because any investment market is, at its core, a confidence game. If you can first sell yourself on a turnaround, you can sell others on it, too. Or perhaps it’s because it is difficult to extinguish people’s deeply-held excitement in a “passion” market like the guitar. Whatever the reason, it seemed that even the most buffeted dealers were looking forward to the coming months with high hopes instead of high anxiety.

“After Dallas [in April], even the other dealers I talked to there said they had seen an increasein sales before Dallas, and it’s been brisk ever since. I think we’ve turned a corner,” says Jim Singleton, owner of Jim’s Guitars, as we sat in his compact, U-shaped booth. “Things are starting to pick up.”


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Lee
on 01/02/2012
Vintage guitars are cool but you'd have to be a fool to believe that they are this valuable much less a safe investment. The sheer number available for sale today just does not make sense considering how many were produced in the 50's and 60's. There must be a lot of fakes out there.
Yerdern Tootin'
on 12/28/2011
It's a double-edged sword when it comes to vintage guitars. I own and love old guitars as much as anyone but new guitars are consistently better built and the electronics are of a better quality than they were back in the 50's and the 60's. The wealthy, stiff-necked collectors and players will argue strenuously to the contrary but it's a fact - period. The magical allure of that 'vintage mojo' is what drives their passion, it seems almost to the point of religious fevor. All the talk of the magic old woods, nitro finishes and hand wound pickups is mostly hype. Think of all the money involved here and you can see why it is the way it is. Years ago, these guitar 'experts' scoffed at CBS-era Fender guitars as garbage. Now, suddenly, these instruments are drawing their praise and commanding escalating prices. How could these instruments have suddenly increased in quality long after they were manufactured? Magic? Perhaps... but a more logical explanation may be the increasing scarcity and rampant counterfeiting of 'Golden Age' guitars have led to the experts and collectors to now deem the once-scorned guitars of years past as worthy of their attention, thus driving up their prices. The more easily-fooled guitar players, serious and amateur, will gobble this all up and follow the herd. Does anyone remember the infamous 'quote' attributed to P.T. Barnum? I think it fits the vintage guitar hysteria quite well.
Felix West
on 11/06/2011
The Brock Burst and any other amazing vintage guitar are antiques from a different age and time. These guitars were made in the good old days. There are only so many real great vintage guitars and we all want the exact guitar that Jimmy Page and Jimmy Hendrix played. Not the reissue. Its not the same. Id dare anyone to play A real burst compared to a reissue. There is no comparison. The real vintage guitars have a certain magic to them. A certain smell, a magical feel, The old woods that were used vibrate are are alive in feeling when played. They cant get wood like that anymore. and even if they did its not the same as the real deal vintage guitar. You really have to be a player to understand the difference. If your not serious player that loves music with all your heart and soul, than buy the reissue and save the money. But if you want to tap into the real deal. Than pay and get a vintage guitar but make sure its all real. Thats the most important thing. Originality! You want a real instrument.
Tim
on 09/23/2010
LOTS of fake instruments are traded at those shows. The one thing those guys will never admit is how the show grew. In the 80's there were not half or even 1/3rd the vintage guitars available at these shows. How is that? Every dealer in the good ol boy network has a table full of "vintage"

There is an interesting article at lashingguitars.com about it. Of course, no mention if their guitars are being sold at those shows too!
JAM
on 12/06/2009
Regarding Dan Marois' note on 07/26/2009 about dealers running the prices on vintage stuff up, just check the VG articles about the cause of the "Strat-Les Paul Bubble". If vintage guitars were stock the SEC would be all over them for manipulating the market. Even some of the world renown auctions houses have paid hundreds of millions in the last couple of years for artificially inflating prices on high end auction items. In response to the question about counterfeit guitars, I always wondered about old Strats and Teles but I personally saw a fake 1960 'burst shopped at the 2001 Fall Philly Guitar Show. A nice old man came in to sell the guitar for a sick friend who had it many years. He didn't know much about the guitar but wanted big bucks for it. He almost sold it to one dealer but the old man wanted more and the twitchy dealer was hinting at a little more. I know at least one dealer was ready to buy it and the old man said one or two others would have except for price, just as a dealer spotted it as fake. It sure looked real to me although I wondered about a couple of slightly shiny spots on the head stock. But I didn't wonder long, as I was as crazed some of the dealers. A fool and his money are soon parted and I would have been at the head of the line if I had the money. But hey, what do I know, 8 years later guitar companies are raising prices by 1/3 even though we're in the worst recession since the Great Depression with millions of permanent jobs lost, we're 8 years into 2 wars and have a record deficit. So real '59 bursts must still be worth $350K.
John Rosengarten
on 11/11/2009
Its all illusion. Modern, CNC robots produce consistently perfect bodies, necks and hardware. Wiring is better shielded and pots and pickups are excellent even in the cheapest guitars.

A Squire or an Epiphone is a better guitar than the "vintage" strats and 'Pauls of yesteryear.

Sure, some of those old axes were great in their day and older musicians learned that three our of four of those "vintage instruments" were sloppy and so the musicians cherished the perfect ones.

Why were the musicians of yesteryear so careful with the perfect ones? Because most of the rest of those vintage instruments were inferior. These are the "Original Relic" axes that doctors and lawyers are hanging on their walls as ego statements.

In the past month I have bought two Explorer clones, both made in Indonesia by Epiphone.

A Futura Prophet EX with active EMG's and a used Goth Explorer with Alnicos'. Both play better and sound louder than any of the old original explorers and they dont break your back to play (they are a bit lighter and better balanced.)

My band mate has two Squiers and they are as good as my original '71 strat. The new Squire maple solid neck is actually better than the old USA neck.

So be a doctor/lawyer/rich guy and spend too much on to overcompensate for your, ahem, shortcomings and buy a "vintage" axe, mister lawyer.

Us working rockers will buy the cheaper, better instruments and not cry when a patron spills a pitcher of beer on them.
mvm
on 08/28/2009
Good article.

Vintage Guitar, all the dealers, have a vested interest in
the health of the pseudo "market" for old electric guitars.
It's a joke dependent upon "the greater fool theory". Anyone
who ever takes the leap and buys one (especially since the
crash of September 2008) has just spent money -not invested it...but the guy is now stuck on the seller side and will now defend ____tarded prices to the death because he's
just put more than skin in the game, he's up to his neck in the woodchipper. If he's a monied player, money is no object and he's going to keep on play that baby, he's The Man in my book.
James Sythson
on 08/17/2009
This is a great article.

Keep up the great work. PG rules!
Bryan Holan
on 08/16/2009
Dan, Your punchline should have been "state of Missouri" Anyway, The vintage market is indeed overpriced, and it is a shame that so many fine instruments end up in the hands of collectors and investors, many who can't play a lick! These guitars were meant to be played! I too, am amazed by the price increases by the majors, and these so called "road worn" re-issues. Are they actually selling these?? I for one would not want to buy a new guitar that looks like it's 30 years old, and had been badly treated! When I buy a vintage instrument, I shop for the one that is closest to NOS that I can find!
M.
on 08/11/2009
Bought a Fender Classic Vibe Telecaster, BEST guitar I have ever owned including all the top brands !!! Fender Squire guitars are the best around for working musicians, excellent quality and reasonable cost. Nothing lasts forever, All guitars are built to be played, not just looked at as "investments", use and enjoy them !!



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