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After the Fall: The State of the Vintage Guitar Market

Adam Moore

At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market?


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A forest of guitars on the floor of the Chicago Guitar Show.
At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market? We head to the Chicago Guitar Show to find out. Sitting with Dave Crocker and John Brinkmann, two parts of the prominent 4 Amigos show organization, on the second day of the Chicago Guitar Show, things were both looking and sounding better than they expected. I’d made the four-hour drive to St. Charles, IL, to spend a day finding out what state the vintage guitar market was in, and the first impressions were promising.

There was a steady, robust stream of players coming through the doors of the 23,000 square foot DuPage Expo Center, even on one of the first truly beautiful weekend afternoons of the summer season. The tabletops stretched from corner to corner without leaving any significant holes in the floor plan, and all were well stocked with beautiful pieces. Abbreviated guitar and amp demos bounced off the walls and floated around the room—thanks to flyers littered around the hall requesting that players limit their testing to one minute, for the sake of the acoustic dealers in attendance. Dealers eyed the front entrance for walk-ins. You might not call it a smash success, but for all intents and purposes, everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves. I asked the two amigos about their impressions of the show thus far.


Dave Crocker (left) and John Brinkman (right).
“Saturday was a good day. Traffic was about what it was last year, maybe down a little bit,” says Crocker, a 30-year veteran of the vintage world and owner of Fly-By-Night Music in Neosho, MO. I got the feeling that he keeps a very precise pulse on the show’s comings and goings, and that he’s been pleasantly surprised by the outcome. “We’re not seeing as much stuff walk in as we did last year, but there have been a few pieces—a ’58 EB2 [Gibson electric bass] just walked in with an original owner.”

Although it may seem a bit odd for a longtime show organizer and savvy vintage player to be pleased with flat traffic numbers, it’s a sharp reflection of the odd place the vintage market has found itself in. Recently one of the hottest investment opportunities available to people with nostalgic memories and cash to burn, the vintage market is now down 20 to 30 percent from its 2007 peak, with oversaturated pockets of the market down even further. It has been battered by the same economic forces that have plagued every other collectible market in the US, from muscle cars to guns. An accelerating foreclosure rate, pervasive consumer uncertainty and a drastic contraction of the credit markets brought the emphasis from high-end investments and “pleasure” purchases back to the essentials.

But, interestingly enough, even as the general economic news continues to look unimpressive at best, most of the dealers gathered for the third show of the 4 Amigos 2009 calendar seemed to be optimistic, albeit cautiously so. Perhaps it’s because any investment market is, at its core, a confidence game. If you can first sell yourself on a turnaround, you can sell others on it, too. Or perhaps it’s because it is difficult to extinguish people’s deeply-held excitement in a “passion” market like the guitar. Whatever the reason, it seemed that even the most buffeted dealers were looking forward to the coming months with high hopes instead of high anxiety.

“After Dallas [in April], even the other dealers I talked to there said they had seen an increasein sales before Dallas, and it’s been brisk ever since. I think we’ve turned a corner,” says Jim Singleton, owner of Jim’s Guitars, as we sat in his compact, U-shaped booth. “Things are starting to pick up.”


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Mike L
on 04/26/2013
To whom it may concern, Are you able to tell me what kind of banjo I have by the pictures since it does not have a name on it. It does look US and has a serial number on it. It also looks like it was made in the 1960's - early 1970's. The head stock looks like a Vega to me. Thanks, Mike
JonJon
on 03/30/2013
One trend I see happening is the rise of authorized "fakes" known as the custom shop guitar especially the {substitute famous artist name } model. These so called artist models rival the real thing... which astounds me. Also who care if its an extremely good fake because you can get an obvious Real thing that has be refinished for cheaper than the fake. Unbelievable that it seems people would rather spend on a big buck custom shop than a refin of the real thing... no kidding. For example a 68 les paul that has been refinished and routed for humbuckers that is confirmed real can had if your willing to wait for a good deal for cheaper than a top end artist custom shop. It appears that the vintage guitar market follows the housing market and as houses appreciate in value so will vintage instruments especially the "All Original".
Johnny Townsend
on 03/18/2013
I have a 1976 Gibson Firebird Bi-centennial in the original case. Can you tell me if it is worth hanging on to?
Vik
on 02/07/2013
Alright, I've read a bunch of these comments and it's clear to me that most of you guys haven't really played a vintage guitar. I own a Les Paul Junior SG from 62 and a Fender Mustang from 64. I also own Les Paul Standard, Custom and a Buscarino solid body Strat. The vintage guitars have a quality of 'openness' to the frequency spectrum that just can't be described in words. It might be the ageing, the superior wood or whatever...I don't know...I do know what my ears tell me that they are a lot more responsive to the way I play and are just more open yet focused on all the right frequencies...this is just my experience with the few guitars I own. To me, If I spend a couple grand on a vintage and get to play it for the next 10 years and maybe make my money back in the end, I'm happy.
Fed UP
on 01/09/2013
Thanks to all the posters noting the painfully OBVIOUS. Aging baby boomers that played these in garage bands during the 50's through the 70's will soon be heading for the exits like somebody yelled Fire! in a crowded theater. Given the only thing younger generations have known was Guitar 'Hero' and are otherwise tone deaf, if you missed the big run-up, you'd be better off stocking up on those! Can't tell you how tired and distressed I am over the sheer amount of *counterfeits* out there and I'm not just talking guitars. AMPS have gotten into the act as well. My local tech tells me he's seen quite a few "All Original!" Fender Twins etc. that have parts from different eras and DUST blown in to give it that cobweb 'look' about them. Totally ridiculous. Once the elephant in the room crushes all these speculators I'll be laughing. But I won't be BUYING. Best of LUCK there infestors. You took the simplest, most beautiful object and memory anyone should be able to embrace and turned it into every bit the circus HOUSING became.
ken
on 01/08/2013
The people that say there are more vintage guitars for sale that were ever made, so theres alot of fakes, Thats ridiculous, you cant fake a 58 Les Paul Tv, it takes YEARS for the grain to seep into the lacquer, the hardware just isnt made like that anymore. ALOT of people sell their gear, ebay has provided an outlet for volume vintage trading. Ive owned my guitars before they were worth anything. THEY ARE REAL and IM NOT ALONE! REPUTABLE LONG TIME DEALERS DO NOT TRADE FAKES....F@#$ Ed Roman
joseph
on 09/11/2012
a bit crazy for vintage myself, it's merely what i grew up with, and why not love what sounds so good? but one thing they can't fake is vintage smell. from having owned the real deal, it's very distinct in each factory, martin, gibson, fender, they all have their peculiar scent, which is so emblematic....and so hard to duplicate.
George
on 07/10/2012
The guitar market was like all other markets - inflated. When the credit was taken away everything fell. Are they coming back? Nope. By the time the economy comes around we are faced with what we all knew was coming - a new generationt hats doest really care. The people who pay big $ for vintage are growing older, they will soon be downsizing like every generation before them did at the age. More guitars will hit market. Plus there are a few people out there making "vintage" guitars so well its better to buy them the real deal sometimes. However there are plenty of people so uneducated event eh bad copies get sold. The markets are flooded and will become more flooded. Great for buyers.
Yerder Tootin'
on 06/16/2012
I've owned and played much vintage gear during my 45+ years as a musician, both amateur and professional. I still own a few vintage guitars and amps. I would think I've got a pretty good idea of what good and bad is in terms of guitars, both old and new ones. The feel and sound of a good guitar is subjective at best and I don't feel anyone is really qualified enough to be considered an 'expert' on what are guitars or amps are the 'best' or 'magical', as it were. You go by what you think sounds and feels right to you, not the opinion of wealthy collectors or dealers who have been dubbed 'experts' by themselves or others. The vintage guitar market is driven by hysteria over old guitars (and by people of my generation, unfortunately) that affects the prices of newer guitars as well. Priced one of the VOS Les Pauls or the 'museum' edition Martin acoustics lately? A magical instrument is one that appeals to you, the player, be it an old or a new one, not because some so-called expert has deemed it so.
JohnR
on 06/08/2012
To the "it is an illusion" and the other guy that cites CBS Fenders as being scoffed, and now valued. Apparently neither person has played vintage gear. That is painfully obvious in the latter - I have a CBS Fender and it is still a piece of crap compared to earlier stuff. Notice the massive value drop between pre and post - and even worse, post 1970. I don't consider anything post '70 in Fender or Gibson as "collectors". In fact, Fender hasn't made a guitar since '64-'65 changeover. Gibson hasn't replicated a '57-'60 Paul, thus it hasn't built a Les Paul since, just replicated. Don't even try to argue anything they drop is equivalent - again you probably haven't spent any time with the real one. I play R's and they are WONDERFUL guitars, but their relationship to a true Les Paul is only in looks. Sound and feel is so different you would swear Gibson never made the thing. It has nothing to do with "belief" or "cognitive bias" - go play a nice broadcaster, or '60 Paul on a hand-wired amp (in this case some modern amps sound even better - but they use old 'outdated' hand wiring and superior components to achieve it, imagine that.)



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