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After the Fall: The State of the Vintage Guitar Market

Adam Moore

At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market?


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Jim Singleton (left) and George Tsantis (right).
The Fall
But before we explore that optimism, we should take a quick, cursory step back, if only to truly appreciate how the vintage market got to its current point. Although vintage guitars have been generally considered a good investment vehicle since the mid-1980s, when baby boomers re-entered the market after some time away, the last eight years of the market turned into a frenzy. With the advent of truly easy money in real estate, stock markets that seemed impervious to gravity, and low-interest home equity lines of credit that never seemed to dry up, the vintage guitar market represented a prime opportunity to increase returns and diversify portfolios with similarly little risk. A market long dominated by players and aficionados of great craftsmanship, the vintage world quickly went mainstream.

“The people buying guitars were no longer musicians. They were doctors and lawyers and brokers. The guitars got too expensive for real players to buy,” recalls Kevin Borden, resident PG vintage expert and long-time dealer. “It got insane. There were certain areas of the market that were, quite frankly, 100 percent overvalued.”

The passion part of this passion market was replaced with excessive speculation, done on behalf of more and more outside investors. Musicians had long evacuated for safer, more reasonable territory. Prices lost their footing in logic, and were increasing almost daily. George Gruhn wrote in a 2005 newsletter: “While many dealers and collectors seem to be of the opinion that prices can only go up, it is my opinion that feeding frenzies do not necessarily result in either the best decisions or long term stability.” And even though trusted sages like Gruhn were sounding the warning bells, they were unable to sway a market captivated by $50,000 Strats, $200,000 Les Pauls and no end in sight. It was a party, and the party was good.

Of course, all good speculative bubbles have to come to an end, but the vintage market crash, along with almost every other collectible market, received a great deal of help from a faltering US economy. As the housing market began its painful cratering in mid-2007 and accelerated into the fall, the vintage market quickly followed. It was a logical, expected reaction, according to Jim Singleton.

“A large segment of [vintage] buyers held real estate,” Singleton explained, “so when the real estate market was strong, the money was there and they were investing in guitars and antique cars and baby boomer stuff. When that money dried up, it affected this market and every other market. Just about every nonessential luxury market has gone down.”


1964 Fender Jazzmaster, $9500
Looking back through sales records from 2007 and 2008, Borden is blunt in his analysis of how sharp and how quick the ensuing correction was: “The market started to turn to crap in fourth quarter of 2007. It was an odd market, a soft market in the first half of 2008, and it just became horrendous around September of last year. Take [’59 Les Paul] bursts—a good friend of mine had one at the 2008 Dallas show that he couldn’t sell for $190,000, when he had it marked the year before for $350,000. The entire Les Paul market took a hit because players don’t have $200,000 to spend on a guitar. Another case in point would be pre-CBS Strats. You had clay-dot, spaghetti-logo Strats previously selling for $30k; you can’t give those away at $16k right now. The more common stuff is taking a beating.”

Granted, this is fairly rarified territory we’re discussing, examples of golden-era guitars that have spent lifetimes under beds and inside collections. It would be unfair to use adjectives like collapse or implode to describe the vintage market’s last years. “When I think of those words, I think of 1990, when the vintage car market dropped by 90 percent,” says Borden. The truth is that there have been plenty of bright spots in the interim. Flat tops and archtops have remained fairly steady investments, increasing modestly year over year, and sales of guitars up to the $3000 price point have remained healthy through the entire debacle. Likewise, on the extreme top end of the market, owners of original korina Explorers or pristine 1959 bursts are still receiving top dollar for their instruments. But for anything else in between, even tangentially related to modern rock n’ roll—beautiful, vintage electric guitars that were once within reach of musicians but became the province of investors—the downward correction was very real.


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Mike L
on 04/26/2013
To whom it may concern, Are you able to tell me what kind of banjo I have by the pictures since it does not have a name on it. It does look US and has a serial number on it. It also looks like it was made in the 1960's - early 1970's. The head stock looks like a Vega to me. Thanks, Mike
JonJon
on 03/30/2013
One trend I see happening is the rise of authorized "fakes" known as the custom shop guitar especially the {substitute famous artist name } model. These so called artist models rival the real thing... which astounds me. Also who care if its an extremely good fake because you can get an obvious Real thing that has be refinished for cheaper than the fake. Unbelievable that it seems people would rather spend on a big buck custom shop than a refin of the real thing... no kidding. For example a 68 les paul that has been refinished and routed for humbuckers that is confirmed real can had if your willing to wait for a good deal for cheaper than a top end artist custom shop. It appears that the vintage guitar market follows the housing market and as houses appreciate in value so will vintage instruments especially the "All Original".
Johnny Townsend
on 03/18/2013
I have a 1976 Gibson Firebird Bi-centennial in the original case. Can you tell me if it is worth hanging on to?
Vik
on 02/07/2013
Alright, I've read a bunch of these comments and it's clear to me that most of you guys haven't really played a vintage guitar. I own a Les Paul Junior SG from 62 and a Fender Mustang from 64. I also own Les Paul Standard, Custom and a Buscarino solid body Strat. The vintage guitars have a quality of 'openness' to the frequency spectrum that just can't be described in words. It might be the ageing, the superior wood or whatever...I don't know...I do know what my ears tell me that they are a lot more responsive to the way I play and are just more open yet focused on all the right frequencies...this is just my experience with the few guitars I own. To me, If I spend a couple grand on a vintage and get to play it for the next 10 years and maybe make my money back in the end, I'm happy.
Fed UP
on 01/09/2013
Thanks to all the posters noting the painfully OBVIOUS. Aging baby boomers that played these in garage bands during the 50's through the 70's will soon be heading for the exits like somebody yelled Fire! in a crowded theater. Given the only thing younger generations have known was Guitar 'Hero' and are otherwise tone deaf, if you missed the big run-up, you'd be better off stocking up on those! Can't tell you how tired and distressed I am over the sheer amount of *counterfeits* out there and I'm not just talking guitars. AMPS have gotten into the act as well. My local tech tells me he's seen quite a few "All Original!" Fender Twins etc. that have parts from different eras and DUST blown in to give it that cobweb 'look' about them. Totally ridiculous. Once the elephant in the room crushes all these speculators I'll be laughing. But I won't be BUYING. Best of LUCK there infestors. You took the simplest, most beautiful object and memory anyone should be able to embrace and turned it into every bit the circus HOUSING became.
ken
on 01/08/2013
The people that say there are more vintage guitars for sale that were ever made, so theres alot of fakes, Thats ridiculous, you cant fake a 58 Les Paul Tv, it takes YEARS for the grain to seep into the lacquer, the hardware just isnt made like that anymore. ALOT of people sell their gear, ebay has provided an outlet for volume vintage trading. Ive owned my guitars before they were worth anything. THEY ARE REAL and IM NOT ALONE! REPUTABLE LONG TIME DEALERS DO NOT TRADE FAKES....F@#$ Ed Roman
joseph
on 09/11/2012
a bit crazy for vintage myself, it's merely what i grew up with, and why not love what sounds so good? but one thing they can't fake is vintage smell. from having owned the real deal, it's very distinct in each factory, martin, gibson, fender, they all have their peculiar scent, which is so emblematic....and so hard to duplicate.
George
on 07/10/2012
The guitar market was like all other markets - inflated. When the credit was taken away everything fell. Are they coming back? Nope. By the time the economy comes around we are faced with what we all knew was coming - a new generationt hats doest really care. The people who pay big $ for vintage are growing older, they will soon be downsizing like every generation before them did at the age. More guitars will hit market. Plus there are a few people out there making "vintage" guitars so well its better to buy them the real deal sometimes. However there are plenty of people so uneducated event eh bad copies get sold. The markets are flooded and will become more flooded. Great for buyers.
Yerder Tootin'
on 06/16/2012
I've owned and played much vintage gear during my 45+ years as a musician, both amateur and professional. I still own a few vintage guitars and amps. I would think I've got a pretty good idea of what good and bad is in terms of guitars, both old and new ones. The feel and sound of a good guitar is subjective at best and I don't feel anyone is really qualified enough to be considered an 'expert' on what are guitars or amps are the 'best' or 'magical', as it were. You go by what you think sounds and feels right to you, not the opinion of wealthy collectors or dealers who have been dubbed 'experts' by themselves or others. The vintage guitar market is driven by hysteria over old guitars (and by people of my generation, unfortunately) that affects the prices of newer guitars as well. Priced one of the VOS Les Pauls or the 'museum' edition Martin acoustics lately? A magical instrument is one that appeals to you, the player, be it an old or a new one, not because some so-called expert has deemed it so.
JohnR
on 06/08/2012
To the "it is an illusion" and the other guy that cites CBS Fenders as being scoffed, and now valued. Apparently neither person has played vintage gear. That is painfully obvious in the latter - I have a CBS Fender and it is still a piece of crap compared to earlier stuff. Notice the massive value drop between pre and post - and even worse, post 1970. I don't consider anything post '70 in Fender or Gibson as "collectors". In fact, Fender hasn't made a guitar since '64-'65 changeover. Gibson hasn't replicated a '57-'60 Paul, thus it hasn't built a Les Paul since, just replicated. Don't even try to argue anything they drop is equivalent - again you probably haven't spent any time with the real one. I play R's and they are WONDERFUL guitars, but their relationship to a true Les Paul is only in looks. Sound and feel is so different you would swear Gibson never made the thing. It has nothing to do with "belief" or "cognitive bias" - go play a nice broadcaster, or '60 Paul on a hand-wired amp (in this case some modern amps sound even better - but they use old 'outdated' hand wiring and superior components to achieve it, imagine that.)



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