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After the Fall: The State of the Vintage Guitar Market

Adam Moore

At the vintage market’s peak, guitars were one of the sexiest investments around. Now, two years later and 30 percent lower, what’s in store for the vintage market?


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The Bottom
But if the guitar market finds itself 30 percent down from two years ago, and our own economy has yet to show firm signs of stability, let alone a recovery, what explains the optimism of a professional like Jim Singleton? Perhaps it’s because the market finally seems to be shaking it all out. Dealers have weathered the worst of it, and buyers are slowly but surely returning to the floors and shops, buoyed by several months of decent economic news (or at the very least, not terrible news) and low prices. The recent correction has generally been viewed by dealers as a good thing for the market, allowing some fresh blood to get into the vintage game and lowering the capital outlay required by dealers.

But considering how overheated the market became at its peak, it’s also fair to wonder if that market correction has completely run its course. Even Singleton will tell you he has no crystal ball. Although the signs are beginning to point upwards, no one can really say whether the market has hit its bottom, or if it’s yet to come. There’s no strong consensus on either side, and what you’ll hear from a dealer is highly dependent on how he reads the data. Even among Dave Crocker and John Brinkmann, two people with a vested interest in seeing things go upward and quickly, opinions seemed to differ on the state of the vintage market.“It looks good to me,” Brinkmann says, with very little hesitation. “I’m up.”

Crocker hedges his answer a little bit: “I think it’s still healthy, but we’re making some major, major adjustments. A lot of it is due to the economy, but I think part of it is due to the fact that we saw meteoric, explosive growth that wasn’t healthy for the industry.”


Dave Rogers
Dave Rogers of Dave’s Guitar Shop represents another of those dealers cautiously watching for things to turn. While he came to the Chicago Guitar Show with enough guitars to fill a dozen tables (more reissue stuff than true vintage, it should be noted) and his area commands a steady flow of foot traffic, he’s maintaining a sense of caution and patience for the free hand of the market to do what it will.

“The vintage market really peaked about two years ago,” he told me. “It got so crazy and inflated—bursts selling for $400,000; blackguard Teles selling for $60-$70,000—it just had to correct itself. And it is correcting a little bit, but I don’t know if we’ve found the bottom yet. The prices still have yet to really find themselves, and once they do, I think they’ll be a little lower than they are now.”


Jimmy Wallace
“I think it’s leveling out. People are fighters, and once everybody has kind of moved through the stuff that they were pretty deep in, both on the public end and the dealer end, then this thing will level itself out and become healthy again,” says Jimmy Wallace, of Jimmy Wallace Guitars and the Dallas International Guitar Festival, echoing much of the same sentiment. “In the end, if anything,the good out of this is that it will make it easier to do business from an operating capital standpoint, because I don’t have to go spend $50,000 for a maple-necked Strat. It’s hard at first, but once it readjusts itself, I think we’re going to be okay.”

That adjustment has taken longer for some dealers than others. Like homeowners realizing their $400,000 mortgage is now only worth $290,000, some dealers are reluctant to realize a huge drop in the value of their assets. It’s resulted in a kind of pricing paralysis by some retailers, and it has manifested itself into a waiting game between buyers and sellers that has muddled signs of a bottom.

“A lot of the dealers are still asking prices that maybe would have sold two years ago, but nobody’s buying today,” says Zachary Fjestad of Blue Book Publications and PG’s “Trash or Treasure” column. “I think a lot of the dealers got pretty far in. They never thought there was going to be a market correction, and they don’t want to reduce their prices because that shows that everything is negotiable again.”


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Mike L
on 04/26/2013
To whom it may concern, Are you able to tell me what kind of banjo I have by the pictures since it does not have a name on it. It does look US and has a serial number on it. It also looks like it was made in the 1960's - early 1970's. The head stock looks like a Vega to me. Thanks, Mike
JonJon
on 03/30/2013
One trend I see happening is the rise of authorized "fakes" known as the custom shop guitar especially the {substitute famous artist name } model. These so called artist models rival the real thing... which astounds me. Also who care if its an extremely good fake because you can get an obvious Real thing that has be refinished for cheaper than the fake. Unbelievable that it seems people would rather spend on a big buck custom shop than a refin of the real thing... no kidding. For example a 68 les paul that has been refinished and routed for humbuckers that is confirmed real can had if your willing to wait for a good deal for cheaper than a top end artist custom shop. It appears that the vintage guitar market follows the housing market and as houses appreciate in value so will vintage instruments especially the "All Original".
Johnny Townsend
on 03/18/2013
I have a 1976 Gibson Firebird Bi-centennial in the original case. Can you tell me if it is worth hanging on to?
Vik
on 02/07/2013
Alright, I've read a bunch of these comments and it's clear to me that most of you guys haven't really played a vintage guitar. I own a Les Paul Junior SG from 62 and a Fender Mustang from 64. I also own Les Paul Standard, Custom and a Buscarino solid body Strat. The vintage guitars have a quality of 'openness' to the frequency spectrum that just can't be described in words. It might be the ageing, the superior wood or whatever...I don't know...I do know what my ears tell me that they are a lot more responsive to the way I play and are just more open yet focused on all the right frequencies...this is just my experience with the few guitars I own. To me, If I spend a couple grand on a vintage and get to play it for the next 10 years and maybe make my money back in the end, I'm happy.
Fed UP
on 01/09/2013
Thanks to all the posters noting the painfully OBVIOUS. Aging baby boomers that played these in garage bands during the 50's through the 70's will soon be heading for the exits like somebody yelled Fire! in a crowded theater. Given the only thing younger generations have known was Guitar 'Hero' and are otherwise tone deaf, if you missed the big run-up, you'd be better off stocking up on those! Can't tell you how tired and distressed I am over the sheer amount of *counterfeits* out there and I'm not just talking guitars. AMPS have gotten into the act as well. My local tech tells me he's seen quite a few "All Original!" Fender Twins etc. that have parts from different eras and DUST blown in to give it that cobweb 'look' about them. Totally ridiculous. Once the elephant in the room crushes all these speculators I'll be laughing. But I won't be BUYING. Best of LUCK there infestors. You took the simplest, most beautiful object and memory anyone should be able to embrace and turned it into every bit the circus HOUSING became.
ken
on 01/08/2013
The people that say there are more vintage guitars for sale that were ever made, so theres alot of fakes, Thats ridiculous, you cant fake a 58 Les Paul Tv, it takes YEARS for the grain to seep into the lacquer, the hardware just isnt made like that anymore. ALOT of people sell their gear, ebay has provided an outlet for volume vintage trading. Ive owned my guitars before they were worth anything. THEY ARE REAL and IM NOT ALONE! REPUTABLE LONG TIME DEALERS DO NOT TRADE FAKES....F@#$ Ed Roman
joseph
on 09/11/2012
a bit crazy for vintage myself, it's merely what i grew up with, and why not love what sounds so good? but one thing they can't fake is vintage smell. from having owned the real deal, it's very distinct in each factory, martin, gibson, fender, they all have their peculiar scent, which is so emblematic....and so hard to duplicate.
George
on 07/10/2012
The guitar market was like all other markets - inflated. When the credit was taken away everything fell. Are they coming back? Nope. By the time the economy comes around we are faced with what we all knew was coming - a new generationt hats doest really care. The people who pay big $ for vintage are growing older, they will soon be downsizing like every generation before them did at the age. More guitars will hit market. Plus there are a few people out there making "vintage" guitars so well its better to buy them the real deal sometimes. However there are plenty of people so uneducated event eh bad copies get sold. The markets are flooded and will become more flooded. Great for buyers.
Yerder Tootin'
on 06/16/2012
I've owned and played much vintage gear during my 45+ years as a musician, both amateur and professional. I still own a few vintage guitars and amps. I would think I've got a pretty good idea of what good and bad is in terms of guitars, both old and new ones. The feel and sound of a good guitar is subjective at best and I don't feel anyone is really qualified enough to be considered an 'expert' on what are guitars or amps are the 'best' or 'magical', as it were. You go by what you think sounds and feels right to you, not the opinion of wealthy collectors or dealers who have been dubbed 'experts' by themselves or others. The vintage guitar market is driven by hysteria over old guitars (and by people of my generation, unfortunately) that affects the prices of newer guitars as well. Priced one of the VOS Les Pauls or the 'museum' edition Martin acoustics lately? A magical instrument is one that appeals to you, the player, be it an old or a new one, not because some so-called expert has deemed it so.
JohnR
on 06/08/2012
To the "it is an illusion" and the other guy that cites CBS Fenders as being scoffed, and now valued. Apparently neither person has played vintage gear. That is painfully obvious in the latter - I have a CBS Fender and it is still a piece of crap compared to earlier stuff. Notice the massive value drop between pre and post - and even worse, post 1970. I don't consider anything post '70 in Fender or Gibson as "collectors". In fact, Fender hasn't made a guitar since '64-'65 changeover. Gibson hasn't replicated a '57-'60 Paul, thus it hasn't built a Les Paul since, just replicated. Don't even try to argue anything they drop is equivalent - again you probably haven't spent any time with the real one. I play R's and they are WONDERFUL guitars, but their relationship to a true Les Paul is only in looks. Sound and feel is so different you would swear Gibson never made the thing. It has nothing to do with "belief" or "cognitive bias" - go play a nice broadcaster, or '60 Paul on a hand-wired amp (in this case some modern amps sound even better - but they use old 'outdated' hand wiring and superior components to achieve it, imagine that.)



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