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Interview: Tommy Thayer on Sonic Boom and Being KISS

Elianne Halbersberg

Tommy Thayer talks about recording Sonic Boom, fitting in with the legendary band and the gear he uses in the studio and on stage


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Tommy's combo during the recording of Sonic Boom

Tommy Thayer's Signature H&K

In 2008, Tommy Thayer partnered with Hughes & Kettner for the launch of his line of Tommy Thayer Signature Edition guitar amplifiers. As mentioned by Thayer and Sonic Boom co-producer/engineer Greg Collins in their interviews with Premier Guitar, the Duotone was used for recording the album and performing live.

What makes the Duotone particularly special is that Thayer donates 100 percent of the royalties earned from sales of the amp directly to the Childrens Hospital Los Angeles.

Thayer is on the Board of Trustees at Pacific University in Forest Grove, Ore. He works to bring new musical instruments into school band programs in his home state and has made speaking appearances at middle and high schools. He also hosts the annual Pacific University Legends Golf Classic, bringing together musicians, celebrities and PGA pros to raise funds for Pacific University’s Athletics Program in Oregon.

Thayer credits his parents for instilling his philanthropic interests. “I get a lot of that from them,” he says. “My dad taught me that it is very important to help people and that it should not be all about yourself; that helping others is a quality you should always have.”
You’ve been involved with KISS for 20 years.

I began songwriting with them after Gene produced Black ’N Blue. I recorded demos with them. Then Black ’N Blue ran its course and I needed a job. I worked for KISS’ organization and helped out on projects; it’s now 15 or 20 years ago. It evolved quickly, with more responsibility and spearheading projects, conventions, the reunion tour, DVDs, editing. As Ace and Peter bowed out again, I was heir apparent because I knew how to do it.

When did you begin to feel like a band member?

There was always a strong familiarity between us, knowing each other very well, even when I worked in their office. I got in the band in 2002-2003. One of the main elements to making things work in a band is being comfortable with each other. Gene and Paul have been around a long time, and one of their main criteria is that everyone be comfortable and compatible personality-wise. People think that being in a band is all about how you play, and certainly that is a big part, but personalities are important too. It took me a year or two to feel confident and a part of the band, and that’s understandable. KISS has a long history, and you can’t just come in feeling like you’re a big part of this. Having had a lot of input with the new album, I definitely feel very much like a solid member.

When fans attend KISS concerts, they want to hear the songs played a certain way. How do you stay true to form without feeling like you’re playing in a cover band?

First of all, I don’t want to do it any other way. People sometimes suggest, “You should put more of your personality into the old songs.” No. I want to play them the way they were written and recorded originally, because when I see a new guitarist in a band, I want to see him nailing it the way it’s supposed to be. I hate going to concerts where the new guitarist is playing a new interpretation of the songs. That doesn’t work for me. The other side of that is that sometimes I take flak for copying Ace. No, I’m playing KISS songs and making them sound the way they should. Ace was a part of the 1970s sound, and I don’t want to do them another way. Capturing the KISS sound is a big part of the new record, and if people say I’m an Ace clone, fine, all I’m doing is capturing the classic sound of KISS. Tommy Thayer is there, too, but it’s not 75 or 80 percent Tommy Thayer. That’s a different direction, although my style is very similar to Ace’s style, and he was one of my influences.

Are the members of KISS underrated as musicians and songwriters?

I think that has always been true with KISS. They took a lot of flak in the old days: “Oh, they can’t play.” To me, they were the band with great nights and off nights, so that can make them seem less consistent. The band today is fiery and in your face. We go out every night and lay it down, and the point of view that someone may have taken before doesn’t apply anymore. Eric is one of the greatest rock drummers out there, I don’t do so bad, Gene and Paul have been at it for a long time, and we’re all very cohesive and strong when we’re together. We’re coming from the same place in how we approach the songs, and that can be very lethal onstage, especially with a big P.A.!

Does being the guy who replaced the guy [Frehley] who replaced the guy [Kulick] who replaced the guy [St. John] who replaced the guy [Vincent] who replaced the original guy [Frehley] cost you rep points? Can you be Tommy Thayer, guitarist, and not just Tommy Thayer, replacement guitarist in KISS? Or is being Tommy Thayer, replacement guitarist in KISS, the gig and that’s enough?

It’s more about that, because at this point does it really matter? Look at the Stones. There have been a lot of configurations in that band, and they’re still around. I don’t try to compete with that concept. I’m the guitarist in KISS 2009, the band is kicking ass, and so I’m not worried about what came before me. This is where I am now, and I’m standing proud with a great new record, enough said. It is what it is. I’m the guy onstage, I’m doing it very well, and that’s all I need to know.

Is there a guitar album in your future?

Honestly, I don’t aspire to do a solo or guitar album. It doesn’t seem like something I want to try to approach. It would never be as good or as important as KISS and I have no desire to do it. It doesn’t appeal to me. Remember, I like two guitars!

What is the difference between playing guitar and being a guitarist?

There’s a big difference. Playing guitar, to me, is more a technical, rudimentary thing—picking up a stringed instrument, making chords and playing solo lines. A guitarist, especially in a band like KISS, opens up a whole other world of attitude and point of view and approach that’s unique. When someone listens to the new record and says, “Tommy did real well and he’s on the mark,” or when fans say that, part of me thinks, I am on the mark. Not that it’s about what people say, because I feel it inside and the guys tell me I’m doing it right, and that’s reassuring. To do this and do it well is not as simple as some people think. Combine it with the personalities involved, and living KISS day to day—it’s not a simple thing. Making it work so smoothly is part of being the guitarist in KISS. And I can assure you that being the guitarist in KISS is completely different from being the guitarist in any other band.

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Linda
on 01/01/2010
I am a huge KISS fan and really enjoyed the Sonic Boom Album all the way through. Say Yeah! is a hit for today if they were to get mainstream media airtime. I am conflicted not having Peter and Ace tuuring with KISS and not recording SB. But SB is really amazing! That said I am a drummer and was very fortunate to play with Ace and other band mates ( a put together band) at Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp. We played Christine 16 with Ace on stage and he soloing. Good as ever and he an amazing player that has not lost a step. I and the band played well and in the origanl KISS style including the drum parts. In before show practice Ace did not remember the parts but quickly picked them up and really got into our practice performance. Ace still has his heart in KISS even though he is conflicted too. I was wearing a KISS rhinstone ladies tee for the Whiskey-A-Go-Go performance (the first time I wore it from a 2003 KISS concert) and said to Ace one-on-one how I was such a huge KISS fan. He remarked, I should listent to some other stuff, i.e. the Ace Frehley solo stuff. I promised I would (and enjoyed it later) but it still wasn't the same KISS I and many others love. Still differnt but not the KISS that so many love. Signed conflicted but appreciative of all the great music KISS (Ace, Tommy, Bruce) have given thorough the years. BTW Bruce Kulick is a very hard working and a really great guitar player. He came for a master class on one of the nigjts I was there in November. Bruce is also deserving.
chas savvage
on 12/28/2009
Ive seen 3 different line ups since 1979,The show i saw in nov of 2009 was really good.I didnt go expecting anything except what kiss is today.
Lee
on 12/13/2009
Thanks Tommy for not butchering the original 70's Kiss sound,you do a fine job of capturing the essence of Ace's playing.Good to see Kiss getting back to what they do best 70's staduim rock
I don't know if it's true but I heard that Tommy had to re-teach Ace his part during the re-union period.
Eric
on 12/12/2009
"This was not done to provide a fresh take on the KISS classics, it was done to cut Ace and Peter out of royalties for their performances on the originals."

Ace and Peter were bought out. they wouldn't receive royalties anyways. And what kind of royalties would they get from a "free" bonus anyways?
Thomas Morello
on 12/09/2009
KISS-They've been dishing out trash since the 70's and are utterly useless. They are the musical equivalent to a Dead End Street. I wish Gene Simmons would lock himself in one of those KISS army approved coffins and never come out unless he promises to stop merchandising everything but air.

And speaking of Kiss-Army....you bunch of nubs!!! ahahahahaha
gtrjoe
on 12/07/2009
Tom does a great job with the hand he's been delt. He apreciates the history, adds to and complements the whole KISS legacy; when others would rather drink/drug theirs away. The new album is the best KISS ablbum-PERIOD, not one throw away song-each one has a lot of strength and really ROCKS like the industry wishes it could.
Kenbo
on 12/07/2009
Obviously all of you that are writing in are NOT musicians. Ace is a better player than Tommy? Maybe back in 1976 but now all he does is repeat the same solo licks over and over again. Believe me, I was the biggest Ace fan around but after hearing the same solos over and over again and not very creative ones, I lost my faith in Ace. Tommy brings new spark into the band and they put out a very good album. If you want proof of Ace and Peter's demise, just listen to Psycho Circus. The playing is awful, the songs are awful, and any of the good solos were played by (from what I think) Bruce Kulick, although he wasn't listed on the album but you can tell by the style.
strummin j
on 12/06/2009
Kiss is a third rate band. Was then, is now. Effects to cover the lousy playing. The people we remember who liked them had no musical taste
ol goob
on 12/06/2009
yawn...corporate rock for folks who want to remember their first boner...and Thayer is a consummate sideman....
Billy b.
on 12/06/2009
I just turned down FREE front row center tickets for the last local show...........NO ACE? NO DEAL............With all due respect to Tommy,who wouldn't have taken the job? but as far as ACE "bowing out"? I don't think that was the case ,He was bowed out



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