December 2009 \ Features \ The Growing Problem of Counterfeit Guitars

The Growing Problem of Counterfeit Guitars

Bob Cianci

Examining the culture of counterfeit


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Duff McKagan plays a Burny Les Paul model while performing with Loaded at the third annual Rock on the Range music festival in Colombus, OH, on May 16, 2009. Since they first appeared in the ‘70s, these replicas have been found in the hands of many high-profile players. In a recent interview with UltimateGuitar.com, McKagan praised the craftsmanship of two Burny guitars he acquired in Japan, saying, “It’s a Les Paul, but in Japan they can copy this stuff like exactly ... you can’t get them here because they’re illegal.” McKagan contends that his Burnys achieve his sound better than any other guitar. Photo by Wayne Dennon.
It all started with a few threads posted on guitar forums, including one on rickresource.com, an outstanding forum and the place to go for all things Rickenbacker. The thread dealt with knockoff Rickenbacker guitars going by the brand name of “Rockinbetter,” an obvious distortion of the Rickenbacker name. It also mentioned Rick’s president John Hall and his aggressive manner of going after those who steal or appropriate his designs and trademarks.

Then the conversation turned to Chinese counterfeit Gibson guitars, and how they were coming into this country and fooling astute guitarists, famous rock stars and guitar dealers who should know better. I learned that counterfeit guitars have regularly shown up on eBay, where people have been—and continue to be—scammed out of their hard-earned money, thinking they were buying a real Les Paul, Stratocaster, Paul Reed Smith, or other well-known instrument.

As I investigated the counterfeit guitar racket, I began to notice ads on North Jersey Craigslist for “Gibson copies made overseas, $500.” I decided to call the seller. Here’s how it went down, word for word, when I finally got him on the phone.

“Hello, is this S****? I’m from Premier Guitar magazine and I called a few days ago and left a message. I’m doing an article on counterfeit guitars and wondered if I could ask you a few questions.”
“I think it’s ridiculous!”
“What’s ridiculous?”
“That you’re doing an article on these guitars.”
“I take it you don’t want to be interviewed?”
“No!”

With that, S**** of Garwood, New Jersey, slammed the phone down. Touchy, wasn’t he? Perhaps it was because he knew full well that he was selling an illegally bootlegged instrument. At least S**** honestly referred to the instruments as Asian replicas. He had that going in his favor. According to Ric Olsen, Gibson’s Manager of Brand Protection, “We know all about that guy. We shut S**** down right after you spoke with him. We have people scouring the Internet all the time looking for guys like him.” Several days later, S**** re-posted an ad for a fake Les Paul, and again, Gibson managed to have it removed.

Where they come from In March 2007, a North Carolina man, Steve F. Sexton, was arrested and charged with two felony counts of criminal use of a counterfeit trademark, after selling fake Gibson guitars to unsuspecting victims, including a 15-yearold boy who had saved money to buy his first Les Paul. Sexton plead guilty to two counts, was sentenced to 45 days in jail, 18 months of unsupervised probation, was fined $250 and ordered to pay his victims $2,700 in restitution.

In an article from the U.S. Federal News Service, North Carolina Secretary of State Elaine F. Marshall remarked, “In this case involving Gibson guitars, one young musician even had his dream of owning what was to him the perfect guitar ruined by finding what he had bought was a fake.” In the Dec. 1, 2007 issue of Music Trades, it was reported that Bernard Musumeci, owner of Oakdale Music in Oakdale, N.Y., was arrested and charged by Suffolk County Police with second-degree trademark counterfeiting after he allegedly purchased $20,000 worth of bogus Gibsons from a dealer on eBay. Police confiscated 33 guitars from Musumeci’s home and store. Due to his obesity, Musumeci was arraigned outside the Suffolk County courthouse. The press and bloggers had a field day. Musumeci claimed he never knew the guitars were fakes.


Counterfeit Gibson guitars confiscated from Bernard Musumeci. Photo: Michael E. Ach/Newsday

Asian counterfeiting is a widespread and unquestionably illegal activity, and it’s not just guitars. Counterfeit Nike sneakers, Gucci handbags, name brand perfume, Rolex watches, all manner of designer clothing, DVDs, CDs and so much more, have permeated the European and American markets since the 1970s. The problem, however, has accelerated quickly since 1997. The largest producer of counterfeit goods is China, but South Korea is a close second, where so-called “super copies” are being made. Super copies are generally knockoffs of designer products whose quality is high enough to regularly fool employees of the companies they’re ripping off. It was just a matter of time before counterfeiters began bootlegging famous brand guitars. Lax government and customs rules and regulations allow counterfeiters to prosper overseas, leaving European, Japanese, and American companies little recourse in fighting the problem.

With all this in mind, and feeling bold enough to dive head first into the fray, I made contact with a Chinese distributor of counterfeit guitars, Bazaarguitar.com. They regularly sell knockoffs of Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, PRS and Ibanez guitars at very low prices. For instance, a fake Gibson VOS Custom Shop Les Paul TV Junior sells for $338, as does a VOS Les Paul ’59 Sunburst with flamed maple top in an Iced Tea sunburst. There are closeup photos of the Junior on Baazarguitar’s website, and having owned a vintage TV Junior years ago, the Chinese fake looked like a very convincing replica. I was sorely tempted to order one until I realized the photo was that of an actual Gibson VOS Junior. Playing the part of an interested consumer, I took advantage of their email help line and posed the following question: “If I buy one of your guitars and am dissatisfied with it, can I return it for another?”

Their response in broken but understandable English was, “You must decide first if you can afford guitar. You get good one first time. We hand pick best ones. If the guitar damaged by shipper, you can return only.” In other words, you cannot return it unless it’s broken by the shipping service. The individual who runs Bazarguitar.com posted a message to this effect on his home page: “I am a good person. You get no trouble from me. Best place to find your dreaming guitar at a cheap price. We sell Gibson, Fender, PRS, Ibanez and Gretsch guitars at cheapest prices.” There was more, but you get the drift. According to the law, he’s a criminal, a common counterfeiter. And they accept Paypal, by the way.

Another Chinese distributor/clearing house for all types of goods, including guitars, is TradeTang.com. They sell just about every sort of consumer product imaginable, including toys, cell phones, household items, computers, health and beauty products, video games, sporting goods, cameras, jewelry and watches, clothing, wedding items, and even motorcycle and auto parts. Are the products legitimate? Perhaps some of them are, but the guitars certainly aren’t.

A Bogus Boneyard
I decided to use the Gibson Joe Perry Boneyard Custom Shop Les Paul, a guitar I like, as a starting point. TradeTang listed many versions of this guitar from multiple sellers, starting at $187.28 and going up to $567.50 with free shipping and a hardshell case included. By the way, the prices seem to change on a fairly regular basis, but that’s most likely due to international currency fluctuation. Indeed, there were three full pages of Gibson and Epiphone Joe Perry Boneyard knockoffs, and many of them used the same photo repeatedly. I noticed names such as Guachao, Wanghongxia, Langping, Linglongshanghang, Full-Of-Romance, Jinshang58 and Eguitar58, as well as many others. These are online monikers for people selling counterfeit guitars. One can only imagine what you get for your money, but again, we have to assume that the more you spend, the better the guitar. Or can we? There’s no way of knowing. You order one; you take your chances.

Once again, I zeroed in on a Gibson LP Boneyard knockoff starting at $340.50 (there’s a discount if you order 10 or more), and emailed the distributor, one “hao-2010,” with the following query: “Do you have this guitar in stock? Is a hardshell case extra money? Can you ship it UPS or FedEx, and will you hand-pick a good one for me with a highly figured flame top? Please reply.”

Mr. “hao-2010” has this on his home page: “Welcome to my store. Worthy commodity, competitive price. Customer first. Your business with me will be a pleasant experience for you. I am dedicated to bring joy, safe and top-quality products for you. All the products I offer in my store come with fashion, style, superior quality but cheaper price all the time … First time, we do business, next time, we become friends.” Their come-on also states, “We use Japan technology. Our quality control team is responsible for all the guitar inspection from the selection of the wood to the guitar finish.” As of this writing, I have never gotten a response from hao-2010.

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rich
on 04/09/2013
seems like more people are tired of big guitar companys over priceing or working class people would not be buying for china looking for better prices that are affortable.
Rick Pearce
on 03/26/2013
I owned a Gibson 1974 Les Paul that I bought new in 1975. In early 1977 I bought a new 1976 Ibanez Les Paul knock off to take on the road for a few months with a band I was working. I didn't want to take my much more expensive Gibson out on road. I fell in love with the Ibanez, so much so that within a few years I traded it in for a used Ibanez Flying V clone and a new 1981 Ibanez AM-50 (I still have the AM-50 and I always will. Awesome guitar.). While I have played my Ibanez Les Paul clone reguarly since 1977 I recently wanted to give Gibson another try. I went shopping both on the internet and at Guitar Center. After playing a few Gibson Les Paul's with $2,500 price tags I ended up with two Epiphone Les Paul's, a black Les Paul Standard and an Ultra II Les Paul with a beautiful burly top and the added Nanomag acoustic pickup in the neck. Both sound great and I paid less than $1,000.00 in total for both. The Epiphone's sound as good as any of the $2,500.00 Gibson's I played (at least by my standards). I am a regular player (steady week end warrior)and if Gibson can build a factory in China and make high quality Epiphone Les Paul's for under $500.00 I'll take it over the "real" Les Paul anytime. I can't see spending $2,500.00 and up on a Gibson just to impress people or hang on the wall like a museum piece.
elle
on 02/22/2013
theres nothing wrong with the fake guitars,they look good and sound good and cost 25% of what you'll pay in the store.unless you want to shell out $2.500 or more for the filling that you did the right thing ,more to you, if you can afford it. besides your not braking any laws,also dont forget that Fender and Gibson knock of their own guitars under different labels.if they can, why cant you?
john Hera
on 02/18/2013
but who ya gonna call Gibson busters i see fakes all the time & meet guys who are proud about yes i built that so what do you do ?? who can we call ?? i would like this shit to stop oh well lol
paul thomas
on 02/16/2013
I am very disappointed today... I just returned home from Guitar Center, and they told me the GIbson Les Paul I bought yesterday from an ad on Craigslist for 500 is "not real". It's Chinese. First off, I'm not much of a guitar player, or know much about guitars, but even I thought I had made a great deal for this guitar. I was taking it into Guitar Center to confirm my suspicions the the guitar was really worth around $3,000. My greed caught up to me when the 4th employee caught onto the fraud. First it was the case, it was not lined with the real stuff. Then there were many subtle things that gave it away. But in the meantime, the first three employees thought it was real and they loved how it played and sounded. So I called the douchebag I bought it from, and he won't answer his phone. I figure I paid about a hundred too much. My own greed brought me down... I won't have this guitar around my house because I don't believe in counterfeit anything. It's not fair to the original, no matter what your personal opinions may be about the current state of the original manufacturer. THEY took the rist developing the product, THEY insured the workforce that made it, THEY finance R&D to keep competitive with the other innovators out there, and THEY deserve to profit, not the bandits that ripped them off. Anyone want to buy a really well made CHINESE guitar?
drewe liddle
on 01/30/2013
some people talk rubbish I have a burny custom made in china and there is no way you can tell the difference between gibson as I have had the the standard and the studio gibson all that money for a gibson what a joke.
Biff
on 01/17/2013
Ironic that Gibson gets its panties in a bunch when they absolutely celebrated Slash and his admitted counterfeit Les Paul which caused a revival in their business. I have no love for Gibson anymore since they moved out of Kalamazoo and the quality of the guitars they produce outside of the custom shop have declined dramatically. If you really want a real Les Paul, buy a Heritage Guitar. They're made by the guys who stayed behind in Kalamazoo when Gibson left. Every instrument is hand made.
jjam47
on 01/07/2013
Yes "Gibson" means quality.But there was a time when everything in this country was built with quality and pride.And every hard working guy could afford it.But not anymore,Gibson is now selling overpriced status symbols.I owned one and it was crap.It couldn't be set up.I sold it for half what I paid for it and bought an Epiphone and a beautiful jackson (made in japan).The Gibson name is now like the Mercedes Benz of guitars.I don't need one I can make a $500 dollar Epi sing real pretty.
Mark
on 01/04/2013
I have a Japanese Greco that has the Greco logo and inlay. I have owned a 74 Gibson Les Paul Custom, and the Greco is a very close copy of it even to the neck. The main difference I can find is the rosewood fingerboard rather than the ebony board of the Gibson. The pickups are very good, hardware is very good finish and quality of work is very good. Is it a Gibson? No, but it was about 1/10th the price of replacing my old Les Paul, and I must tell you it plays better than the old Gibsons -I also had a '68 Gibson Les Paul Custom, and the Greco is about on par with it. Gibsons are all machine made in Nashville, same as the guitars made in China...and the new Gibsons use plastic inlays instead of real MOP...Even the higher end Agiles use real MOP. Gibson and greedy guitar collectors and sellers in the USA brought a lot of this on themselves. Long ago, I paid $400 for my '68 Gibson LP Custom. Now, I could not afford to replace it because guitar sellers decided they could make huge money on "collectables"...before that, they were just used guitars. You guitar sellers have had it good for decades - stop whining because people ate tired of your nonsense.
Keith Nicholls
on 12/26/2012
Unfortunatly most people are programmed for price and not quality together with instant gratification they purchase cheap counterfeit goods because they think they are getting a good deal, if you think a $300.00 for a counterfeit Gibson guitar is good quality you need to break down the cost and you will find that all you are getting is poor quality substitute for the real thing. I would suggest that the people that are actually making the instrument are poorly paid and exploited for profit alone. These manufacturers do not have to fund a R&D section, no marketing expences,no occupational health and safety rules to abide by.. they just rely on using Gibson to do it for them, if anyone thinks that these guitars are so good would they purchase them if the headstock displayed "WU-MING" I don't think so.
There are plenty of good reasonably priced Guitars made by the big 3 on the market without supporting these leeches who could not stand alone marketing under their own name, If you want to step up to the real Gibson save your money and support the heritage of design inovation that has existed for more than a century.
One of my family members recently purchased a Gibson "Hummingbird" counterfeit for A$300.00 it was received in an unplayable condition and took half a day to set up.
So I guess he got what he paid for.
Good instruments will a always demand a price reflecting their quality if you want the PORSCH then you will have to save up, buy what you can afford but please put your hard earned money into the real McCoy not the fake.



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