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Differences in Fender Concert 4x10 Amps

Jeff Bober

The differences between early Fender Concert amps


Premier Guitar July 2009

Jeff,

Are 1960–63 Concerts all the same? What are the differences?

Thanks,
Dave


Hi Dave,

Good question on one of my favorite amps. You are speaking, of course, about the Fender brown-era 4x10 Concert amps. Here’s a little background on the amps, as best as I can put it together for you.

The Concert amp was first introduced into the Fender line in 1959. It was a two-channel amp and came in a 4x10 combo configuration. Its only effect was vibrato, as reverb had not yet found its way into the Fender amp line. I really don’t have too much information about the 1959 version of the Concert, except for the fact that it was produced using the 5G12 schematic, which seems to be a pretty elusive item. The 5G13 Vibrasonic schematic is available, however (the two amps were electrically the same in 1960), and there are very minimal differences between it and the Concert’s 6G12 schematic, so I would assume that the 1959 and 1960 versions of the Concert were very similar. The next versions of Concert amps, the amps in question here, produced from 1960 to 1963 actually differ in two ways. One was cosmetic and the other electrical.
Cosmetically, there were four different versions produced during this time. The Concerts produced in 1960 originally sported light brown vinyl and tweed-era grille cloth. This changed in early 1961 to a marooncolored grille cloth, and then later in 1961 the vinyl was changed to a darker brown. In 1962, Fender again changed the grille from the maroon color to a wheat-colored cloth.

Electrically, there were two different versions of the Concert produced between 1960 and 1963. The first version, produced in 1960, was based on the 6G12 schematic and was, as stated above, electrically the same as the Vibrasonic amp of the same era. The “12” in the schematic number is actually the model number of the amp. In comparison, the model number of the Vibrasonic is 13. This would indicate that design work on the Concert preceded that of the Vibrasonic, but according to those knowledgeable on the subject, the Vibrasonic was released earlier than the Concert. This version of the Concert can be quickly recognized by checking the tube compliment. If you’re seeing five preamp tubes across the back, the amp is an early- to mid-1960 Concert produced using the 6G12 circuit. Another recognizable and interesting attribute of these amps was the controls, which were backwards from what we’re used to seeing on the face of a traditional Fender amp. Following the input jacks, the controls were Bass, Treble then Volume, not the traditional Volume, Treble, Bass. One glaring error on the 6G12 schematic, as well as the Vibrasonic 5G13 schematic, is the fact that the 470-ohm output tube screen grid resistors are marked as 470K ohm. That’s a design parameter that definitely would not work.

The other version of the Concert during this period was produced between late 1960 and 1963. This version utilized the 6G12-A circuit. As with all of the Concerts during this time, it was also a two-channel amp, but the vibrato circuit had been substantially changed and now required the addition of another preamp tube. Looking at the schematic of this amp, it appears the greatest change to the vibrato circuitry is in the oscillator area of the circuit. This part of the circuit became much more simplified than its predecessor, and by the looks of it became the basis for the oscillator found in the popular opto-isolator version used today. While there indeed was another tube added to this new design, the tube was used to take the output of the oscillator circuit and produce two out-of-phase oscillator signals. These were then fed to the modulation part of the circuit, which would modulate the audio signal. The audio signal was split in order to feed two different amplifiers in the modulation circuit, but because the signal was split through different RC (resistor/ capacitor) networks, there was a slightly different signal being fed to each of the two amplifiers. Once combined together again, these slightly different signals being modulated by two out-of-phase oscillator signals provided the resulting pitch shifting aspect of this vibrato circuit. If you see six preamp tubes across the back of the amp, you have this 6G12-A version.

Between the two, the 6G12-A is my personal favorite. The vibrato in these amps is wonderful sounding. It’s one of the only circuits utilized in a Fender amp that actually lives up to the term vibrato, which by definition needs to include some form of pitch shifting. This circuit achieves that to some degree. The other versions of vibrato used in Fender amps, be it the opto-isolator version or the bias-varying method, are actually forms of tremolo, not vibrato. These circuits do nothing more than vary the amplitude of the circuit.

That’s my story on a couple of great Concerts. Enjoy.


Jeff Bober
Co-Founder and Senior Design Engineer Budda Amplification jeffb@budda.com or budda.com.

     

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Comments

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Dan Graddy
on 05/10/2013
I bought a concert amp new in 1965, the last built by Leo Fender, It had four 10" jenson speakers with a black cover & silver grill
Peter
on 04/23/2013
I first heard of the concert amp via the great bassist Joe Osborne.
Along with drummer Hal Blaine and fellow bassist Carol Kaye the foundation of popular music was built. Joe played through a concert amp and can be heard live on those Johnny Rivers at the Go-Go recordings. I don't know why he played the concert instead of the bassman in that they were identical speaker configurations. It was probably as simple as that was what was in the store. There is nothing quite as unique as a bass played with a pick through a bassman (read concert)4x10 amp. It certainly worked for the 1000's of recordings he made.
centervolume
on 07/15/2012
I have the metal knobbed version. it was advertised on ebay as a 1959, but has no tube chart, like the few other metal knobbed fenders I have seen. all the parts date from 59, I dont even think there is a date stamp on the chassis like most browns have. Fender definitely had samples of the early brown prof series line of amps ready by mid 59 for the NAMM show, although some had "dummy chassis." (no circuit hooked up). So its tough to say how early this one is... the P10Rs are dates 43rd week of 59, so no earlier than that for sure!
Fields
on 06/09/2012
I just got my hands on one of these. My grandfather bought it back when it came out, played for a month, got bored and stuck it in his attic. It has basically been untouched since it was purchased. I am in the process of having the speakers re-conned and then I will get to test that bad boy out! If only he would have kept the 1960 Fender Strat that he bought with the amp :-(...From what I can see it is the 6G12-A model with a light brown looking face.
JP
on 02/24/2012
I have a Concert, built in September of 60 ("JI" stamped on tube chart and on the chassis). The Concert amp is an overlooked gem in Fender's early 60's professional amp line.

It stays pretty clean up to about 8 then starts to break up. At that point, it's loud! The good news is you can lower the volume and put a boost/fuzz/distortion pedal in front and it really sings. And yes the vibrato is great!

It has a 6G12 eyelet board with extra holes drilled to allow for the 6G12-A circuitry. It is a 6G12-A... mostly. It's circuit does not match 6G12 nor 6G12-A schematics. It was built at a time Fender was transitioning from 6G12 to the 6G12-A (like the ones Jonno mentions he had owned).

I have had Fender experts look at the amp and it's untouched, the amp left the factory like this. It's all original and all still works. Not a changed part in it. All the caps and resistors are still in spec. Astonishing really...

The outside has the maroon grill cloth. The tolex is the early rough light brown that has not turned pink.

It's sounds incredible. Everybody who hears it want to know what it is so they can buy one (ha! good luck with that!!!).
Jonno
on 11/29/2011
Despite what some say, there is no such thing as a 1959 Concert. There was an extremely early Concert that came up on ebay a couple of years ago with silver knobs...but it was still a 1960. The 5G12 is identical to the 6G12, i.e. 5 tube. The Bassman style grill changed to maroon in 1960. There is a span of about 250 on the serial number 750-1000) from memory) where the 5G12/6G12 were not "Center volume" but still was the regular 5 tube 5G12/6G12 circuit. The input electrics were just switched inside. I've owned 6 Concerts of all the different flavors, including a couple in-between the 6G12 to 6G12A transition. Great amp. Something else is that the Alnico Oxfords sound just the equal of the better known Alnico Jensens.
Rob C
on 03/01/2011
I have a '63 6G12-A and it's the best amp I have ever had in my 20+ years of playing. Unfortunately I now live in SE Asia and my Concert is still sitting in the UK doing nothing, but I miss that amp so badly. I swapped out the two bottom Oxford speakers for Tonetubby Alnico 10s and they transformed the amp's performance and tone. Other than that it's unmodified apart from a few necessary component replacements (like the odd diode and cap). I still think it is one of Fenders best ever amps from the best era (Browns are my favourite).
rich fall
on 10/20/2010
Amen
CRAIG W
on 06/09/2010
I HAVE A 63; CONCERT COMBO,FROM WHAT I'VE READ,IT'S BEEN REUPOLSTERED. IT'S NOW BLACK WITH A SILVER/BLUE FACECLOTH CAN ANYONE HELP ME ON THIS?
Dennis S
on 10/01/2009
I bought a concert amp new in 1962 and continue to play thru it today...47 years later. I played it loud in the early days and it sang like a bird with my 1958 ES335. Now I use a TS5 foot pedal at lower volume and get the same sound with my 1990 335 custom reissue. I'll be burried with it! Also found a mint brown one on ebay for house use and display. Best amps ever!



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