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The Mysterious Gibson Moderne

Bob Cianci

The search for the vintage world's holy grail


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Sightings: Fakes and Forgeries?
Enter Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, who owns what he believes and claims to be an original Moderne, purchased for “a little bit of nothing” in 1971. Although this guitar has been photographed, Gibbons, who has been described to me by someone who knows him well as a master of “smoke and mirrors,” has never allowed a single vintage guitar expert to examine his instrument, not even his friend George Gruhn. He has steadfastly refused to make the guitar public to any extent other than two questionable photos. Examining these images, it appears that Billy G’s Moderne looks very similar to the Japanese Ibanez “Futura” Moderne copy that surfaced in 1975. Moderne copies have also been made with the names Greco and Antoria on the headstock, and Gibson produced offshore Moderne copies in the year 2000 with the Epiphone name.

Speaking of replicas, luthier Glen Miller (no relation to the late swing bandleader) manufactures Moderne, Explorer, and Flying V replicas at Wrona’s House of Violins in Lewiston, NY. Miller began performing repairs shortly after getting his first guitar in 1970, and learned his trade in the shop of the late vintage guitar dealer Dan Hairfield. In 2003, Miller found a source for original Gibson parts.

“I had been searching for a Moderne and came across a listing for some supposed original Moderne parts,” he says. “I contacted the seller, who had been a Gibson subcontractor and was fortunate enough to have attended the auction [when they closed up] the Kalamazoo factory in 1984. He purchased many bodies, necks and other hardware, but then put the parts in his storage area and forgot about them. I made a deal for most of the stuff he had, including original ‘82 Moderne bodies and necks, plus ten Gibson logos.”

Miller has built three Modernes from Gibson parts, plus five from his own parts, in addition to four Explorers and two Flying Vs.

The Plot Thickens
Unlike some, Glen Miller believes the original Moderne never existed.

“I don’t think one was ever made in the ‘50s,” he comments. “It is clear from photos that Gibson rushed some prototype Vs and Explorers so they could display them at the ’57 NAMM show. The Moderne never made it into a single picture taken at the show. All the supposed sightings sound just like people who claim to have seen a UFO. The prototype Vs, Futuras, and Explorers with the Futura headstocks have all shown up. If there were any real ‘50s Modernes, at least one would have surfaced by now. A ‘50s Moderne does not exist.”

Luthier Dan Erlewine claims to have owned a re-necked Moderne, but no longer has the guitar and never photographed it when it was in his possession. According to Erlewine, “A guy brought it into my shop on the outskirts of Ann Arbor and wanted to sell it. He said his dad sent it to Kalamazoo to have a Melody Maker neck put on it, because he liked the feel of his buddy’s Melody Maker and wanted his guitar to have the same. I thought it was an Explorer, which I’d never seen, and I had never heard of the Moderne or the Futura. I paid $175, which was a lot of money at the time.”

“When I removed the pickguard,” he continues, “I found some routing had been done, and I believe different pickups had been installed—maybe someone started a third pickup and never finished. I filled the unwanted rout with plaster of Paris, of all things, and painted black over the hole. I sold the guitar immediately to Ann Arbor Music to get my money back. They sold it to Doug Green, who worked for George Gruhn. I think the parties got into some pretty good arguments over it.”
That guitar was supposedly sold to a Japanese businessman. George Gruhn claimed to have examined it and deemed it a fake.

“George knows more than I do about vintage guitars,” Erlewine states. “I’d say he didn’t see it. He bought it through his employee, Ranger Doug.”

Dan Erlewine has never seen Billy Gibbons’ Moderne, either: “Only recently did I see a glimpse of it in the photo of Billy in the convertible filled with guitars in the Ron Wood book. How would I know if it’s original? What does ‘original’ mean anymore, especially with a guitar that has never been proven to exist.”

“I have no idea why Billy has been so secretive about it,” he adds. “I’ve never met Billy. He’s a big star with lots of valuable guitars, and if it were me, I’d be protective about them, too. He hasn’t shown it to anyone because he doesn’t feel like it; he doesn’t have a need to. I don’t think Billy claims to be an expert on vintage guitars. He’s an expert at playing them!”

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Richard Mason
on 05/17/2013
Ever notice how Gibson won't give you a straight answer as to how many guitars of a particular model they made? Why all the stupid monkey secrecy? I bought a FLOOD Les Paul and it was supposed to be 300 of each color. Then it was changed to limited run, which means "until we stop getting big fat orders." Then you ask the dealer if he can find out how many they made and he gets mad at Gibson because they're like Eric Holder in Capitol Hill: "I don't know."

So, how many Modernes were made or will be made? One man said 300. Another man said limited run. Why are the natural finish ones often priced at $200 more than the ebony ones?

Why is everything Gibson makes a silly "soooper doooper limited edition" guitar? (Greed?)
Stard0g
on 12/08/2012
The Erlewine "testimony" is somewhat confusing. He claims to have owned one and not known what it is, but later claims to doubt one was ever produced. It seems like these statements came from 2 separate interviews, so I wonder if over the years he has begun to doubt that what he owned was in fact genuine, though the open book headstock does kind of support the "stolen Gibson parts assembled outside the factory" theory.
Grimway Guitars
on 07/22/2012
I have been following this story since the moment I began working on vintage instruments. When I worked at Gruhn guitars, George always told me that he never believed an actual Moderne still existed. The one supposedly owned by Billy was never verified by him. I also had many long standing discussions with Phil Jones who worked with me at Gruhns at the time and built the prototypes of the three "modern" designs for the '83 reissues. Straight from his mouth he told me that people who worked at the factory in the 50's saw an entire rack of unfinished moderne bodies with fitted necks including the gumby headstocks ready to be finished. He knows this because when they would pass by they would always grab one and act like they were "paddling" by in a canoe (obviously not popular with the employees). Story goes that all of these never were finished, the necks were sawed off and the bodies were recutt into Gibson Skylark Lapsteels, which oddly enough fit neatly into the long side of the Moderne body. Whether or not one happened to sneak out is next to impossible to know, but I doubt it severely. However, not many people know about the ultra rare "original" design for the Explorer, which had a much less pronounced cutout in the upper horn, and looked like a mirrored bowtie in a way. Phil says he knows this guitar exists, and that none other than Lonnie Mack at one time owned it, and when he examined it way before creating the'82 run it was definately consistent with 50's period correct routing, with genuine original PAF's etc. Seems to me this guitar is out there somewhere and is probably the rarest Gibson by far, I have all but given up hope on the Moderne, I kind of hope I'm wrong though.
NN
on 04/11/2012
I saw what I believe was the 80s reissue Gibson Moderne in a store across the street from Guitar Center in Hollywood called Valdez Guitars. He had one there way back in the 80's. Not sure if he still has it or not but that is the only actual Gibson Moderne I have ever tried out or even seen to this date. I remember it was really awkward trying to hold and play that thing.
allen miller
on 02/11/2012
www.wronashouseofviolins.com ask for glen miller
Jeff
on 12/21/2011
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/phot o.php?fbid=49096092561&set=a.4192130 12561.206596.590997561&type=3&th eater
enrico
on 06/15/2011
Yes i believe lots went into the morgue. Definitely there are old gibsons out there that are hidden away and the people who own them dont know what they are . i believe that maybe the moderne is hidden somewhere in the old gibson factory building kalamazoo ?walls,floors ,maybe by an employee that really loved it and couldnt bear to see it destroyed so he/she hid it ? Or may it be somewhere in europe--germany perhaps in someones attic or basement etc Why hasnt someone done a film on this ? this is the real deal --adventure--mystery--rock n roll. Just a few thoughts Music is all !!!! Enrico
Greg
on 06/13/2011
i have owned 2 ibanez modernes ,the first one i got in trade for a gibson les paul i didn't like, the add said ,trade ibanez madering flying v for les paul ,my bass player knocked it over and broke a tuning peg ,it was stolen from my house .years later a friend spotted one in a music store thinking it was the stolen one ,but it was an even better condition one .i made the mistake of putting a trem bar and locking nut on it ,later i sold it on ebay for $777.00 .those guitars were magic ,nothing feels like an ibanez moderne ,the damn thing plays itself ,and actually makes u a better guitarist .
Greg
on 06/13/2011
I just bought a year 2000 gibson/epiphone moderne on ebay for $899.00 ,it's korina wood
Al Romano
on 02/11/2011
I used a Gibson Modern with original PAF pickups on my album Sun Red Sun. I own Ace Frehleys burst. Led Zeppelin Lief Mases said my modern sounded better than my burst did. My burst is known to be one of the best sounding ones ever to. I also had a white modern stolen from me with a repaied headstock e 008 Chris Caffery of Transiberian Orchestra called that guitar the best he had ever heard. I think the modern is one of the best sounding Gibsons ever. Listen to the tones i got with it my album with a small box 50 watt marshall. Just an amazing guitar! I am holding a white one on the cover of my Sun Red Sun cd from 1995. I favored the white ones. I think they sounded better for some reason. Ive probably owned more moderns than anyone on the planet! I know i have more hours of playing time on a modern than anyone! im being buried with mine thats how much i like it! Its going home with me! I also used it Gidget Geins solo album Confessions of a spooky kid! Gidget used to play with M. Manson. Al B Romano



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