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The Mysterious Gibson Moderne

Bob Cianci

The search for the vintage world's holy grail


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“I would really love to see Billy Gibbons’ Moderne in person. He is strangely secretive about that guitar, which makes me wonder. He did an article in Guitar World magazine in 1982 and they photographed it. The rarest guitar in the world, and all you see is a sideways photo in the front seat of a car? He didn’t even include it in his own book! My guess is that his guitar might have vintage-correct parts, but that doesn’t make it real. Not even the most ‘guru’ of vintage guitar experts has ever had the opportunity to inspect it. Billy gets any guitar custom made for him—why not a vintage-correct Moderne?”

Wood believes a genuine Moderne would have surfaced by now, but there’s always the possibility it hasn’t: “I used to think one would have appeared by now, but I started talking to some fellows on the mylespaul.com forum a while back, and one of them told me his grandma had some ‘old guitars that say Gibson on them’ up in her attic. She had no idea what they were, but they were old, perhaps from the ‘50s. It’s highly possible that someone has a Moderne and might not have a clue as to its worth. I remember a couple years ago, some guy bought a ’79 Flying V from Goodwill for $25!”

Wood says he would like to see Gibson reissue the Moderne again: “I’ve sent many letters to them asking for another reissue. I doubt they will make it again. The guitar was ridiculed in 1957, and only sold 183 or so in the early ‘80s. One guy I interviewed for the book said he was a member of the Gibson Custom Club, meaning that if you have enough money, they’ll pretty much make you anything you want, as long as it was based on a legitimate Gibson model. He asked for a Moderne and they couldn’t make him one.”

Can We Get Some Forensics on this Thing?
Deciding to go to the experts, I contacted George Gruhn of Gruhn Guitars, Stan Jay of Mandolin Brothers, and Buzzy Levine of Lark Street Music.

George Gruhn commented, “I have never encountered any original Moderne guitar made prior to their so-called reissue in the early 1980s, nor have I ever had a conversation with anyone who claimed [to me] to have seen one. I have significant doubts that they were ever made.”

Stan Jay said, “The common wisdom is that Gibson had a patent on the Moderne. I see it as a fantasy-based instrument from the 1950s space age. It just didn’t take off. The Moderne is like the Sasquatch of the vintage guitar industry, or those fuzzy pictures you see of UFOs. You can’t really tell what they are. I think it’s a wonderful thing to have some mystery. Every industry needs a mystery, and the Moderne is our mystery, our Sasquatch. The real story of the Moderne is the myth itself.”

Buzzy Levine remarked, “The only myth I know is that Billy Gibbons supposedly has one, but why hasn’t he shown it to anyone? Who wouldn’t want to make it public that he owned the rarest electric guitar ever made? If there were Modernes out there, they should have surfaced by now. I suppose there could have been one or two made.”

I Want to Believe
As someone who has done his own Moderne research and generally enjoys the “thrill of the hunt,” I would be remiss in not expressing my own opinion. I believe Billy Gibbons’ guitar is a copy, an Asian lookalike—maybe a prototype that got into this country, a custom guitar he had built, or perhaps a mongrel that contains some original Gibson parts. The headstock is the standard Les Paul or SG-style “open book,” not the “paddlestock” of the original design. It would not be unlike Gibbons, a secretive man, to keep the guitar a mystery to perpetuate the myth, mystery and mojo of the Moderne.

Although I would like to believe there’s an original Moderne under a farmer’s bed somewhere in rural USA, I honestly think one would have surfaced by now, given the vast common knowledge about rare guitars that exists today. Even pawnshop owners regularly refer to vintage guitar price guides, and I personally know several antique dealers in my area who are savvy about old guitars.

A verified, original Moderne would easily fetch seven figures. If I found one, it would most certainly go up on the block for sale. Finally, while I believe the Moderne did exist in prototype form, it seems most likely that all original examples were destroyed in the Gibson morgue by the early ‘60s. At best, some of the parts may have been stolen out of the factory and reassembled into quasi-Modernes.

The bottom line: an original Moderne exists only in the minds of those who believe the myth, but admittedly, it’s fun to believe otherwise and continue the hunt for the vintage guitar world’s Holy Grail.

For information on Glen Miller’s Moderne, Explorer and Flying V replicas, visit: wronashouseofviolins.com.

For additional information on Ron Wood’s book, Moderne: The Holy Grail of Vintage Guitars, go to: centerstream-usa.com.

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Richard Mason
on 05/17/2013
Ever notice how Gibson won't give you a straight answer as to how many guitars of a particular model they made? Why all the stupid monkey secrecy? I bought a FLOOD Les Paul and it was supposed to be 300 of each color. Then it was changed to limited run, which means "until we stop getting big fat orders." Then you ask the dealer if he can find out how many they made and he gets mad at Gibson because they're like Eric Holder in Capitol Hill: "I don't know."

So, how many Modernes were made or will be made? One man said 300. Another man said limited run. Why are the natural finish ones often priced at $200 more than the ebony ones?

Why is everything Gibson makes a silly "soooper doooper limited edition" guitar? (Greed?)
Stard0g
on 12/08/2012
The Erlewine "testimony" is somewhat confusing. He claims to have owned one and not known what it is, but later claims to doubt one was ever produced. It seems like these statements came from 2 separate interviews, so I wonder if over the years he has begun to doubt that what he owned was in fact genuine, though the open book headstock does kind of support the "stolen Gibson parts assembled outside the factory" theory.
Grimway Guitars
on 07/22/2012
I have been following this story since the moment I began working on vintage instruments. When I worked at Gruhn guitars, George always told me that he never believed an actual Moderne still existed. The one supposedly owned by Billy was never verified by him. I also had many long standing discussions with Phil Jones who worked with me at Gruhns at the time and built the prototypes of the three "modern" designs for the '83 reissues. Straight from his mouth he told me that people who worked at the factory in the 50's saw an entire rack of unfinished moderne bodies with fitted necks including the gumby headstocks ready to be finished. He knows this because when they would pass by they would always grab one and act like they were "paddling" by in a canoe (obviously not popular with the employees). Story goes that all of these never were finished, the necks were sawed off and the bodies were recutt into Gibson Skylark Lapsteels, which oddly enough fit neatly into the long side of the Moderne body. Whether or not one happened to sneak out is next to impossible to know, but I doubt it severely. However, not many people know about the ultra rare "original" design for the Explorer, which had a much less pronounced cutout in the upper horn, and looked like a mirrored bowtie in a way. Phil says he knows this guitar exists, and that none other than Lonnie Mack at one time owned it, and when he examined it way before creating the'82 run it was definately consistent with 50's period correct routing, with genuine original PAF's etc. Seems to me this guitar is out there somewhere and is probably the rarest Gibson by far, I have all but given up hope on the Moderne, I kind of hope I'm wrong though.
NN
on 04/11/2012
I saw what I believe was the 80s reissue Gibson Moderne in a store across the street from Guitar Center in Hollywood called Valdez Guitars. He had one there way back in the 80's. Not sure if he still has it or not but that is the only actual Gibson Moderne I have ever tried out or even seen to this date. I remember it was really awkward trying to hold and play that thing.
allen miller
on 02/11/2012
www.wronashouseofviolins.com ask for glen miller
Jeff
on 12/21/2011
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/phot o.php?fbid=49096092561&set=a.4192130 12561.206596.590997561&type=3&th eater
enrico
on 06/15/2011
Yes i believe lots went into the morgue. Definitely there are old gibsons out there that are hidden away and the people who own them dont know what they are . i believe that maybe the moderne is hidden somewhere in the old gibson factory building kalamazoo ?walls,floors ,maybe by an employee that really loved it and couldnt bear to see it destroyed so he/she hid it ? Or may it be somewhere in europe--germany perhaps in someones attic or basement etc Why hasnt someone done a film on this ? this is the real deal --adventure--mystery--rock n roll. Just a few thoughts Music is all !!!! Enrico
Greg
on 06/13/2011
i have owned 2 ibanez modernes ,the first one i got in trade for a gibson les paul i didn't like, the add said ,trade ibanez madering flying v for les paul ,my bass player knocked it over and broke a tuning peg ,it was stolen from my house .years later a friend spotted one in a music store thinking it was the stolen one ,but it was an even better condition one .i made the mistake of putting a trem bar and locking nut on it ,later i sold it on ebay for $777.00 .those guitars were magic ,nothing feels like an ibanez moderne ,the damn thing plays itself ,and actually makes u a better guitarist .
Greg
on 06/13/2011
I just bought a year 2000 gibson/epiphone moderne on ebay for $899.00 ,it's korina wood
Al Romano
on 02/11/2011
I used a Gibson Modern with original PAF pickups on my album Sun Red Sun. I own Ace Frehleys burst. Led Zeppelin Lief Mases said my modern sounded better than my burst did. My burst is known to be one of the best sounding ones ever to. I also had a white modern stolen from me with a repaied headstock e 008 Chris Caffery of Transiberian Orchestra called that guitar the best he had ever heard. I think the modern is one of the best sounding Gibsons ever. Listen to the tones i got with it my album with a small box 50 watt marshall. Just an amazing guitar! I am holding a white one on the cover of my Sun Red Sun cd from 1995. I favored the white ones. I think they sounded better for some reason. Ive probably owned more moderns than anyone on the planet! I know i have more hours of playing time on a modern than anyone! im being buried with mine thats how much i like it! Its going home with me! I also used it Gidget Geins solo album Confessions of a spooky kid! Gidget used to play with M. Manson. Al B Romano



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