September 2009 \ Tech Tips \ Adventures in Amplification \ The Little Magnatone That Could

The Little Magnatone That Could

Tim Schroeder

When Tim runs into a dangerous power situation in an old Magnatone lap steel amp, he's tasked with completely reimagining the project.


Premier Guitar September 2009

It seems as if almost all of our clients have at one time or another, purchased something online. Often a funky old guitar or amp that was acquired at, what seemed to be at the time, a decent price. We hear the same words uttered over and over again. I just got an amazing deal on this at e…(rhymes with hey) but I think it needs a bit of work. Often, the amount of work required to transform the instrument into something playable makes the “great deal” now seem like a thorough hosing. Sometimes items come with a trial period in which the buyer can return it if doesn’t meet his/her expectations. Other times the piece may be salvaged or kept, though unusable, simply because it has a certain amount of character that makes it worth having if only for a wall hanger.

This month we’ll be taking a look at one such project. It involves a Magnatone lap steel and amp set.



A client purchased a beautiful (and very early) Magnatone lap steel and amp set. They were brought into our shop to have a basic “check and clean” done to the amp and to have the lap steel repaired/restored. The lap steel needed to have the tuning machines replaced as the buttons had deteriorated to the point that they were now little ratty stubs that needed a pair of pliers to aid in the tuning process. A similarly styled set of Tone Pros 3-on-a-strip tuners were installed, scratchy pots were salvaged with a bit of electronics cleaner and some minor setup work was done to level the string heights at the nut.

The amplifier was powered on to see if it was working and to listen for any nasty noises that would need to be addressed in our “check and clean” procedure. Surprisingly, the amp sounded pretty darn good. It had a very unique character to the break up as the amp was pushed into distortion. The amp was then disassembled to check for leaky caps and resistors that may have drifted out of spec that would cause the voltages to swing to unsafe/improper levels. First I tried to locate the power transformer to get my bearings. Hmmmm, strange I thought, no power transformer! Then it dawned on me. This amp is running on pure AC!

While this isn’t that unusual in very early amps and it certainly contributes to its unique tone, it’s also very dangerous. One leg of the AC is tied to the chassis as a buss in the same way a ground would be in a more modern design. This would almost be okay if the instrument being played through it had the strings isolated from the electronics (though it's still present on the metal chassis). However, in most modern guitars, the strings are attached to the ground. In this instance it means that the player now has one leg of the AC on his/her strings! This puts me in a rather precarious position. As the tech and owner of the shop, there are some obvious liability issues associated with this project.

The client was consulted and told of the dangers that lurked within this design. As he loved the look and character of the box, he gave me the go ahead to build a simple and more “modern” (late-'50s) design into the existing chassis. A promising schematic was found (a Valco of some sort) that used a 6SL7 octal preamp tube a 6V6 and a 5Y3 rectifier. This design was chosen simply because of its funky character, which was thought to be in keeping with the original design.

The build was a bit tricky as the amps chassis was quite small and was never made to carry the bulk of a power tranny. Every component was stripped off and the task of figuring out a layout that was physically possible, considering the tight space, begun. It was necessary to make a metal plate to cover a hole left by one of the tube sockets that had to be relocated to make room for the new Mercury power tranny. The output transformer had to be located inside the chassis due to lack of room caused by the speaker's magnet protruding into the optimal space. New holes had to be drilled/punched for the input jack, transformers, IEC style AC socket and tube socket.

It’s freeing being charged with the task of simply making something funky that works. Certain liberties can be taken in component selection that wouldn’t necessarily be considered when shooting for a dead silent recording amp or a rock solid touring amp for example. I was able to use some really neat Soviet-era paper in oil caps that I found while traveling in Bulgaria last year as well as some interesting carbon comp resistors acquired at the same time. Fortunately, the original speaker was still in good shape and was reused.

Mission accomplished. The end result was a marriage between over-the-top vintage form and functionality. The amp was transformed into a safe and usable conversation piece and I’m told, gets many hours of use a week. While this project may not have been the most economical way to go about getting a small practice amp, it did end up salvaging a very cool set and making it safe and enjoyable for the proud and happy owner.

     

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Comments

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jimi p
on 01/08/2011
the correct course of action would have been to remove the original chassis and store it safely, then built a new chassis that fit in the amp. destroying something for fun is indeed fun, but the value of having the complete set is destroyed. further, rather than replacing the tuners on the lap steel with "similar" three on a side ones, was it possible to just fit new keys to the original? stewart mcdonald has replacements for many such instruments. i'm glad your customer was happy, but if he were mine he'd have not destroyed the more obvious option of preserving the original pieces. yes, caps and resistors drift, and electrolytic caps need replacement, many blocking caps can live for decades. resistor drift is a component of a vintage tone. so....did ya do the guy a favor? or did ya create a gig that didn't really need to be done? that's my question. screwing up a pair of mated hen's teeth isn't the best course of action...save it for the myriad common cheap amps, dude, not the rare and exotic ones.
Jay McDonald
on 09/26/2010
Dan,

I also have green Magnatone with the Hawaiian Figure on the speaker cloth. My wife bought the lap steel and amp at a yard sale in San Francisco in 1982 for $35.00. It sat in her brother's closet her on Guam for many years until we recently resurrected it. It initially played just fine but is now making a loud humming noise whenever we turn it on. I'd be interested in any more history on the amp and any ideas on how to fix the humming and make the amp safer to use. Also, anybody have a schematic for this model?
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with this.
Tim Schroeder
on 10/05/2009
Hi all. Thanks for your comments. While what some of you are saying is true, it was up to the owner to decide what the final outcome was to be. This is the path that he decided to take and he is thrilled with the outcome. Mission accomplished!
Ampy McGee
on 09/19/2009
It sounds like the owner wasn't stuck on having the original tone, so putting a power tranny in the amp works. I bet that new tranny sounds amazing in that amp!
Jim R
on 09/15/2009
An alternative to gutting and rebuilding the original amp would have been to remove the original chassis intact, and replace it with the the new amp built into a new chassis. A chassis enclosure of suitable size is probably available from Hammond or some other source. Probably less effort to use a new enclosure than strip and redo the original, which could have been preserved for future appreciation and safe use with an isolation transformer.
Rockwood
on 09/14/2009
I found this really interesting because I'm currently converting an old (1940's) table-top radio into a guitar amp and it runs directly off the mains without a power tranny. My solution is to continue to run the amp off the mains and to use an input transformer for my guitar. The chassis and my guitar will be grounded and all I need to add is a tiny input tranny (I'm going to use a Triad Magnetics TY-141P) rather than a big expensive power tranny.
Mr. Know-it-all
on 09/11/2009
Hi Tim! No power trannie is common in small, older amps. Some Sears Silvertone branded amp-in-case units for example. The amps do not run on "pure AC" as stated. There is still a rectifier in the circuit. There are several ways to deal with this. Replacing the entire amp circuit is the least practical and most expensive. You said the amp sounded very good as-is. Why ruin the sound and destroy a collectible vintage piece of gear? An isolation transformer is a much more viable solution in every respect.
Dave Barnett
on 09/11/2009
I agree with Neely, there are less invasive ways to correct the safety issues in this style of amp.
Curt
on 09/10/2009
I also have the exact same model Lap Steel. Tuners are gone, bridge is missing, and the nut is home-made. I need info on where to get a suitable replacement bridge. ( I really want to get this guitar going, as I recently discovered Joaquin Murphy.) It seems that the pickup works. Thanks!
Ron Neely II
on 09/10/2009
Why not preserve the amp and just mount an isolation transformer on the side of the interior? That's what this guy did: http://www.clarkhuckaby.com/AmpMods/Silv ertn.html



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