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Pete Townshend: On Guitar-Smashing Regrets, Stylistic Evolution, and Becoming a Gear Aficionado

The Premier Guitar Pete Townshend interview: Why he's playing Eric Clapton Strats; his favorite instruments for home and studio; leaving Marshalls behind; hearing loss; and the future.


Premier Guitar April 2010

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Are there any young guitarists coming up these days you find appealing or influential?

There are so many. Literally hundreds. The guitar is now available to everyone. If you have the aptitude, the chances are you start developing it really young. I know and counsel guitar players in their teens who can shred so fast they lose consciousness.

This brings us to the subject of hearing loss. You and I are both longtime working musicians who suffer from this problem. Mine is pretty severe, not only as a result of gigging for over 40 years, but as a result of genetic factors. What is the state of your hearing right now? Do you wear hearing aids, and assuming you use in-ears onstage, how are you protecting your hearing?

I don’t use in-ears on stage. Not yet. I have just been introduced to a new microprocessor- controlled system with three transducers in each ear. They sound amazing. But the Chinese might hack into my gig…

I have started wearing hearing aids in the past months. The new ones are incredible. Tiny. The only way to protect my hearing would be to stop playing music. I get the most problems from long periods of studio work, which is how I compose. So I am nervous about the future right now.

You’ve been heavily involved in the recording process for decades. Has the art of recording changed for the better or worse in that time, and how are you using today’s technology?

I mix old and new. I have pro analogue tape machines running alongside a computer running Digital Performer or Ableton Live. Things have got better. The emergence of digital was tricky. The sound was poor at first. I was lucky because I used Synclavier as my digital medium. That was sampling at 100KHz in mono and 50KHz in stereo back in 1984, with fabulous integrity. Now a laptop can deliver that if you wish.

You’ve always been a proponent of the internet, and have used it to your benefit for many years. When you conceptualized Psychoderelict, were you at all aware that you might have been predicting the rise of the internet with the album’s theme of a “grid?”

I predicted the internet back in 1971 with Lifehouse. I can’t take all the credit—I was taught at art school in 1961 that computers would change the way artists worked and communicated, and the way society functioned.

I have read you are writing material for a new Who album tentatively titled Floss. Can you give us some information about it? Will it be a return to a guitar-based sound again? What is the theme and when will it be released?

Floss is not a new Who album. It is a musical play. Some of the music might work for Roger and me; I am still working on it. I reckon I have another year to go writing.

What was it like to tour right after John Entwistle’s death? That must have been extremely hard on you and Roger.

It was hard, but we had no option.

Do you plan on touring with The Who again at any time in the future, and if so, when?

There are no plans to tour at the moment.

After almost 47 years with The Who, are there any regrets? Would you change anything if you could? Do you still get a rush, a thrill, performing live with the band?

I’ve never gotten a rush or thrill from performing. I’m good at it, and I find it easy and natural. No regrets. I fell into this business, the family business, out of art school. It’s given me the chance to combine popular music (which is so natural for me) with ambitious creativity, so I’ve been really lucky. I’ve had great support, too, from The Who band and managers over the years. Lots of crazy ideas.

Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think The Who would last as long as it has, and are you satisfied with your musical legacy and the body of work you have created?

The gap from 1982 to 2006 in recording is a great shame. I made some good solo records, but the break was necessary, I think. I’m satisfied so far. I hope there is more to come.

What words of wisdom or advice would you like to pass on to PG readers as a guitarist?

The guitar is such a great friend, easy to carry from room to room, from house to house. If you play guitar, you are already blessed.

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[The author would like to thank Pete’s personal assistant, Nicola Joss, for her help and diligence in arranging and coordinating this interview.]

Pete's Gearbox
Alan Rogan has been Pete’s tech since the early ‘70s. As he puts it, his job in The Who camp is, “just turn up and see what happens today, because it will be different tomorrow! I know this after 35 years! I’ve been really lucky to work with lots of great guitar players, but Pete has been, and still is, the most interesting. He never stops… definitely a guy who’s thinking about now, not what he’s done in the past.”

Guitars: Fender Eric Clapton Stratocaster modified by Gordon Wells of Knight Guitars with a Fishman Acoustic bridge pickup and an EMG preamp (half the signal goes to a Demeter DI box, and Pete can then blend electric and acoustic sounds at will). Gibson J-200 acoustic equipped with Fishman Ellipse pickups.

Amps: Four Fender Vibro-Kings with a 2x12 extension cabinet for each. Pete normally uses one Vibro- King and cabinet for most songs, with the volume set on 3–3.5, but he can add the second at will. The third and fourth are there strictly as spares. Because of his hearing issues, his signal is fed through the monitor system, and the amps are faced away from him onstage. At the Super Bowl, Rogan mic’d a third Vibro-king setup and faced it backward.

Effects: Pedalboard designed and built by Pete Cornish, and includes a Demeter compressor, an older model Boss OD-1 and a T-Rex delay.

Mics and Monitors: Shure KSM313 ribbon mic for amps. Shure Beta 58A for vocals. Shure PSM 900 in-ear monitors.

Strings: Ernie Ball (.011–.052) on electrics. D’Addario EXP 19s (.012– .056) on acoustics.

Straps: Ernie Ball guitar straps

Picks: Heavy (no specific brand)

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Comments

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Shawn Knuijt
on 01/26/2012
Pete Townshend is a damn good guitar player. I love him and The Who.
Ron
on 01/20/2011
I agree with the Fender-fender comments. I am a bass player with a Fender Jazz Bass and a Fender bass amp - I absolutely love the tone. Long Live The Who (and Rock)
Christopher
on 04/28/2010

Pete is still a musical force to be reckoned with and I hope he will continue to make music for the rest of his life providing it doesn't further damage his hearing. I for one wouldn't mind it at all if he and Roger took to a strictly acoustic tour, perhaps in the round. Townshend is a great rhythm player and his acoustic playing is quite melodic to listen to.

I do agree that it was/is a shame that the Who recorded so little new music between 1982-2006. They were also very much at the top of their live performances on that 1982
tour - among the band's very best live work. (I liked Kenney Jones too because he was a powerhouse drummer.)

Pete's guitar sound on that 82 tour, particularly the last 2 shows at Toronto’s Maple Leaf Gardens was almost mystical. Thankfully there is lots of film footage of it to be found.

Much continued success to Pete in his life and career. Us fans love him like an older, wiser brother.
Stu
on 04/06/2010
It would have been nice if Pete gave us more info on his Hiwatt amps, as they have a special layout/circuit: four inputs, each with its own volume controls, bass, treble, and master volume; no middle or presence controls.
wallymarx
on 03/30/2010
This interview rocks. Great job, Bob!~
Alright Kid
on 03/27/2010
"Ernie Ball (.011-.052) on electrics". Slinkys or Rock-n-Rolls?
RockiRobert
on 03/21/2010
Leo Fender was a genius. I'm sure he didn't think he was, but he magically designed and nearly perfected electric guitars and amplifiers at nearly the same time. Just like the Beatles, he just happened to hit on a combination that was perfect. Every non-high gain amp tries to imitate the "Fender sound". There are at least a thousand Strat/Tele clones on the market. If you want the real deal, buy a Strat or Tele and a Fender amp. Everything else is an attempt to reach a goal that Leo perfected in the 50's.
Michael
on 03/13/2010
maybe Pete's reasons for playing Fender is the same as EVH's amp. I never made the connection before.
vee sonnets
on 03/13/2010
i loved the part when Pete spoke of Marshalls being designed from the Fender Bassman circuit. That was funny and correct and very outspoken. Cheers!



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