July 2010 \ Vintage & Upkeep \ Trash or Treasure \ Ibanez "Lawsuit Era" Les Paul Custom Copy

Ibanez "Lawsuit Era" Les Paul Custom Copy

Zachary R. Fjestad

The story behind Ibanez-lawsuit era guitars, and how much this Les Paul-style is worth.


Premier Guitar July 2010

Hey Zach,

I have owned this Ibanez “lawsuit” guitar for over 25 years and I’d like to know a little more about it. The serial number on the neck plate is K7709XX and as far as I know, it is all original except for the missing pickup cover. Can you tell me more about Ibanez’s lawsuit guitars and how much this is worth today?

Thanks,
Chris Natale
NYC



Many Japanese-copied “lawsuit era” guitars under names like Greco, Aria, Tokai, and Ibanez have taken on an almost cult-like status today among many guitar collectors. While most readers understand what a “lawsuit era” guitar refers to, others may not and I’ll try to summarize the term.

In the early 1970s, American guitar manufacturers (particularly Gibson, Fender, and Martin) were experiencing a steady decline in production quality while more Japanese- built guitars were showing up in the American market. By the mid-‘70s, these Japanese guitars consisted of mostly blatant copies of popular American designs and the quality was much better than people wanted to admit. In 1977, Gibson sued the Elger Company (the distributor of Ibanez instruments in the U.S. at the time) and demanded they stop producing copies of their instruments, specifically their headstocks. Japanese-built guitars that are copies of American designs before the Gibson lawsuit are commonly referred to as “lawsuit era” guitars today.

Ibanez was certainly guilty of copying Gibson, Fender, and Martin models, among others, but they were also one of the most proactive companies when it came to introducing original designs. Between 1975 and 1977, Ibanez introduced several original designs including the popular Iceman and the Artist Series. In fact, by 1977 when Elger signed an agreement to stop building copies, their entire line consisted of almost all original instruments anyway.

Your guitar appears to be a Les Paul Custom copy that Ibanez labeled Model 2391. According to the serial number, it was built in November 1977, which is considered a transitional period. The Gibson/Elger lawsuit was filed on June 28, 1977, and was resolved not too long after. By September 1977, Ibanez was ready with their entire new line of instruments and copies were essentially a thing of the past. However, there was a transitional period where models were still produced with both copied and original designs. Your guitar clearly has a Les Paul body shape, but it has Ibanez’s original headstock design, a large adjustable bridge, and an elaborate tailpiece, which are all original Ibanez designs.

The Model 2391 was loosely based on a Les Paul Custom and featured a mahogany body, maple top, and clear “See-Thru” finish. Just like a Les Paul Custom, this guitar has multiply body and headstock binding, fancy headstock pearl inlays (another Ibanez original design), and a “Custom” truss rod cover. However, the most notable difference between this guitar and a real Gibson is the bolt-on neck. The pickguard has been removed, as well as the bridge pickup cover. The volume and tone knobs have rubber inserts around them for a better grip, which Ibanez called Sure-Grip knobs. There is some belt buckle wear on the back along with some hardware oxidation, but overall the guitar appears to be in excellent condition.

Based on the condition and missing original parts, your Ibanez Model 2391 is worth between $475 and $550 today. If this guitar was in mint condition with all original parts in place, it would be worth between $600 and $700. In comparison, a mid-‘70s Les Paul Custom is currently worth between $2500 and $3000. The Model 2391 probably retailed between $300 and $400 originally while the Gibson Les Paul retailed for between $850 and $950 in 1978. Other Ibanez Les Paul Custom-based guitars include the Model 2335, Model 2341, Model 2350, Model 2386, Model 2393, and Model 2398.

The question many of you may be asking is why the disparity in value between a real Les Paul Custom and a copy if the quality is comparable? No question, there is a lot of value in a name and Gibson is the most valuable name in the guitar world. Bolt-on neck guitars are usually considered inferior to set necks, which also attributes to a lesser value on the copy. For most copy, budget, and value instruments from the 1960s and 1970s, I’ve noticed that they raise and lower in value proportionally to vintage and collectible instruments, which is the case for this Ibanez.

Copies of American guitars propelled Ibanez as a guitar company in the 1970s, but Ibanez really established their own trademark with unique designs, a commitment to quality, and their relationships with artists. While not very expensive, I challenge you to find an Ibanez that isn’t a treasure!

Source: Ibanez, The Untold Story by Paul Specht, Michael Wright, Jim Donahue, and Pat Lefferts.


Zachary R. Fjestad is the author of the Blue Book of Acoustic Guitars, Blue Book of Electric Guitars, and the Blue Book of Guitar Amplifiers. Questions can be submitted to:
Blue Book Publications
Attn: Guitar Trash or Treasure
8009 34th Ave. S. Ste #175
Minneapolis, MN 55425
bluebookinc.com
guitars@bluebookinc.com

     

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Danno
on 04/10/2013
Just bought a 1975 Ibanez 2350 Les Paul Custom in a cherry burst finish, bolt on neck. All original in excellent condition, including the original case. The gold plating is pretty much worn from the hardware which was pretty common. I once had the same guitar purchased new in 1974, played it through a Peavey 400 series bass amp with 2-15" speakers. These were decent built guitars with a good sound at an affordable price, but all this "pre-lawsuit" cult collector stuff is really driving up the price.
Rob
on 03/23/2013
Hi, i have a 1977 ibanez les paul custom in black with gold plated hardware and p90 picks ups, in great condition could anyone tell me whats it worth please? august 1977 twinny34@aol.com
Fyl
on 02/20/2013
Yep, having gotten rid of the dried-up sratchy stuck pots, with a fresh setup and good new DR DDT 10-46 strings, one of these babies can pretty confidently take on any new Gibson below LP Standard at least today. Did a head-to-head against Gibson's entire sub-$2k lineup at a local GC, the new NAMM-tagged $1700 ones with zebras pretty much kept up although still didn't feel quite right, the others flopped, and only a new 3-humbucker PRS with a maple neck really had a similar bite. Model: rebadged 2393 (several brands exist, you can find them with Westminster and even strangely enough GRECO of all things on the headstock), Maple/Maple neck'd Les Paul Custom w/ Maxon Super 70 pickups (zebra). Mine's a trans. red fading to tobaccoish top Westminster, identical except headstock, and similar even there. BTW, author, are you sure the guy's missing a pup cover? Ibanez had a bunch of such guitars modelled after something Page played, I think, or just to look customized. Not sure if this 1 covered/1 opencoil guitar came that way stock, but in some years, like every third model in their catalogue did.
Joe
on 01/31/2013
I have a ibanez custom with no serial number on it just say's Made in Japan. Could anyone tell me about this one.
jackie kimbrough
on 01/16/2013
i have a ibanez les paul custom copy.it is black with the headstock like the gibson les paul custom. serial# K753269.it is in great shape. i think it was made in 1975
Bryan LeVine
on 12/07/2012
I have a black Ibanez Les Paul copy made some time in the mid 1970s. the serial number is L762012 what is this thing worth and what can I probably get for?
randy
on 11/09/2012
I have a black Ibanez Les Paul Custom purchased new around 1974 -75 it has pearl tree of life and a exact gibson headstock with a pearl trophycup with fire coming from it n Ibanez logo.Any idea what its worth?
gesous
on 09/26/2012
i got an ibanez about twelve years ago when i was like 12 or 13 at the time ididnt realize it and treated it as any teenager would come to find out today it is a ibanez 2393 from 75. im dumb as shit
Oratio
on 08/20/2012
The guitar in question is not a pre-lawsuit copy. One can see by the headstock. A pre-lawsuit Ibanez Les Paul copy has a headstock similar to a Gibson Les Paul. The only visual difference is the wording 'Ibanez' in the place of the wording 'Gibson'. This headstock was changed shortly after Ibanez introduced serial numbers. Therefore, there might be a few “lawsuits” guitars with a serial numbers dating from November/ December 1975. A "real, real pre-lawsuit" Ibanez should have no serial number, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons.
ximtimx
on 08/02/2012
have 2398 custom les paul by ibanez with a beauty flame top super fast neck good guitar , i think this is a great guitar



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