June 2010 \ Tech Tips \ Ask Amp Man \ Does Speaker Impedance Affect Tone?

Does Speaker Impedance Affect Tone?

Jeff Bober

When using different ohm cabs with a head, does the impedance make a tonal difference?


Premier Guitar June 2010

Hello, Jeff.

I read your stuff with Premier Guitar and decided to write with a question about ohms. I was trying to decide on a Mesa/Boogie 2x12 (8 ohm) or an Orange 2x12 (16 ohm) when I came up with a question. Tone—do the ohms change anything if all other things are equal? Say, an 8-ohm head in an 8-ohm cab, or a 16-ohm head in a 16-ohm cab? My head will do 4, 8, or 16 ohms. I’m not sure if the Orange is two 8-ohm speakers in series or two 16-ohm speakers in parallel, I just know I cannot get the impedance lower. I love the Celestion Vintage 30s. I love the closed-back design and construction of both cabs. I really LOVE the look of the Orange cab. I have always heard the lower the ohms, the better the speaker response. Does any of this really matter as far as tone goes? As I get older, I am thinking a load is just a load. If it is a match, you are not overheating your amp and everyone is happy. So I guess the question is: Does the same speaker have a different sound depending on the ohm rating?

Forgive me if this is just a really silly question.
Sean


Hi, Sean.

Thanks for reading and thanks for writing. We all appreciate it. Let me see if I can reciprocate by answering your question. Your primary question is: Can the same model of speaker in different impedances sound different? In a word, yes. Substantially different? Probably not. But there is the possibility of a subtle difference. I have experienced this phenomenon myself in the past, so I do know that the situation can exist, but I was not sure enough of all the facts to be able to explain the cause. Thankfully, my friend Anthony Lucas at Eminence Speaker was able to shed some light on this for me. Here’s my interpretation for you based on his explanation.

The physical differences between an 8-ohm and a 16-ohm speaker of the same type generally come down to voice-coil wire size and the number of voice-coil wire turns in the magnetic gap. When a speaker is manufactured, different wire is used for winding the voice coil based on the desired speaker impedance. The wire used to wind an 8-ohm voice coil will be of a particular size and will be applied with a particular number of turns. The coil, once wound with this wire, will have a certain diameter and weight. This wound coil will then not only determine the impedance of the speaker, but will also be somewhat of a determining factor in the SPL (sensitivity) and frequency response of the speaker. If the same voice coil was wound to be 16 ohms, a smaller, lighter wire would be used and the number of turns would be increased to achieve the desired impedance. This will change the physical characteristics of the wound coil, which may slightly affect the sensitivity and frequency response of the speaker. A higher number of turns in the 16-ohm coil may slightly increase the response of the speaker at higher frequencies due to an increase in inductance. This potential change, however, may be offset to some degree by the possible increased weight of the 16-ohm coil due to the increased number of windings. We’re talking total weights in grams here, but every little difference has the ability to affect some type of change. This may be a lot of information to process, but the bottom line is that two of the same speakers have the potential to be slightly different in tone and response, but probably not to any substantial degree. Generally, any perceived difference might be that the 16-ohm speaker could be a bit brighter.

Also, just to clarify the speaker installations in the cabinets in question, the Mesa, having a total impedance of 8 ohms, more than likely uses two 16-ohm speakers wired in parallel. The Orange, having a total impedance of 16 ohms, would use two 8-ohm speakers wired in series. Knowing that, along with the knowledge that the 16-ohm speakers could potentially be a bit brighter, one might assume that the Mesa cabinet has the potential to be the brighter of the two. But there is a bigger issue here that may not be obvious—the cabinet itself. You are attempting to make your choice based on two different cabinets from two different manufacturers. Each manufacturer produces its cabinets to different specs, using different woods and different construction techniques. This will make a far greater difference than the subtle differences between 8- and 16-ohm speakers. I have experimented with many woods over the years, and I can tell you from personal experience that each one has its own characteristics. This can have a huge effect on the tone and response of the cabinet. How bright it is, how much bass it has, and how immediate it feels are all very dependent on wood. The bottom line: Play them both with your amp and pick the one that you think sounds best.

If this hasn’t completely confused you, I hope it helps you with your cabinet selection.


Jeff Bober
Jeff Bober, one of the godfathers of the low-wattage amp revolution, co-founded and was the principal designer for Budda Amplification. Jeff has just launched EAST Amplification. He can be reached at pgampman@gmail.com

     

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Dr Robb
on 02/17/2013
I find it funny most people now a days in their replies say there is real difference...but there is. Back in the 80's when I was in school and studying audio and audiophile equipment and reading Audio magazine and such, it was explained basically that lower ohms will drive that amp harder and wear it out, so higher is better. Likewise, the THD seems worse and resistance goes down, so again higher resistance does in fact seem to sound better and clearer, more audiophile, and probably precievably brighter. In my opinion and from what I read over the last 30 years...higher resistance would be better, so go with 16 ohm!
mark
on 10/02/2012
i have an older jvc amp that specifies 8-16 ohm speakers, can i run sets of 4ohm speakers from bose without damaging the speakers?
Matt
on 06/03/2010
I think Jeff only answered one question. I thought the main intention of Sean's question was about using the different impedance selections on the amp and their affect on tone. This is the answer that interests me too. Sean's speaker cab choice may have confused the reply.
Steve
on 05/29/2010
@mgear: Not sure how the more wire = mo' better tone. In most amp applications less is more in terms of tone (you might guess I'm a fan of the non-master/single treble bleed tone knob, style of amp). But I'm curious. Something I'm missing on tranny design?
mgear
on 05/28/2010
I found Jeff's reply very interesting, but I think it's also a somewhat misleading. Say you have an amp that has 8 and 16 ohm taps, and you can use either of two 1x12 cabs that are identical except that one cab has an 8-ohm speaker while the other cab has a 16-ohm version of the same speaker. If you switch the rig from 8 ohms to 16 ohms, using the speaker with the different resistance isn't the only thing that could change the tone; using a different tap of the transformer could make a difference, too. I've believe I've actually heard that the tap you use probably has more impact on tone than the speaker impedance. I'd like to hear more about that. Discussing it might be important to addressing what Sean's main concern really seems to be. I believe I've heard that for a given amp, using the highest-ohm tap often sounds the best because all of the transformer windings are used, whereas all of the windings are not used on the lower-ohm taps. Any comments on that idea?
Gerhard
on 05/24/2010
I was wondering about the same thing. If you're using the same amp and cab, but change the impedance on your amp and cab from say 16ohms to 4ohms respectively. Woulf that make any difference to your sound. Cheers!



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