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Interview: Bruce Cockburn - Small Source of Comfort

Adam Perlmutter

Cockburn discusses his early years with the guitar and the gear and songwriting on his latest tour de force, "Small Source of Comfort"


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Bruce Cockburn might not be a household name among guitarists, but not for any good reason. Very few players are as prolific and wide-ranging as Cockburn, whose 31 studio albums draw equally from early rock ’n’ roll and country, from free jazz and ethnic music.

Cockburn, 66, got started in the late 1950s in Ottawa, Canada, playing Elvis Presley songs on a junky old acoustic before delving into jazz. After high school, in the mid-’60s Cockburn headed to Boston, where he broadened his horizons, both musically and culturally, while studying at the Berklee College of Music.

After Berklee, Cockburn headed back to Canada, where he revisited his roots in various rock groups. By 1970, when he released a self-titled debut, Cockburn had emerged as an acoustic singer-songwriter with a surefooted fingerstyle technique.

Since then, Cockburn has evolved as both a solo artist and bandleader, and his songbook has grown to include hundreds of finely crafted songs and instrumentals. At the same time, his humanitarian work has taken him to impoverished areas and war zones all around the globe—experiences that have filtered into his music in a highly exciting way.

In 2009, Cockburn visited war-torn Afghanistan, and that trip inspired a song and an instrumental on his latest effort, Small Source of Comfort. The album is packed with plenty to offer guitar fans of all stripes—deftly fingerpicked passages in alternate tunings, improvised interplay, all kinds of fancy chords, and more.

So many burgeoning guitarists today have inexpensive but high-quality instruments, as well as instant access to lessons in all styles on the Web. How were things when you first got started, in the late 1950s?

The first guitar I had was a no-name six-string that I found in my grandmother’s closet. It had been set up as a Hawaiian guitar with this extra-high nut. I was interested in playing Elvis and other rock ’n’ roll–type stuff, so I took the guitar, painted gold stars on the top, and starting banging away. Thankfully my parents expressed their nervousness by insisting that I take lessons and learn to play guitar properly—and that if I wanted to play guitar I couldn’t get a leather jacket and grow sideburns. The good thing is that I got the guitar lessons and went on from there.

What did you learn in those early lessons?

The guitar lessons that I took broadened my horizons vastly. I started out just learning rudimentary rock and country songs by ear, but then my teacher introduced me to players like Les Paul and Chet Atkins, with their more sophisticated approaches to the instrument. These influences eventually led me to jazz.

As you gathered musical knowledge, what kind of instruments did you play?

My first serious guitar was a Kay archtop, which I traded in for a Gibson ES-345. It was the stereo model, which seemed like a strange gimmick—the top three strings were supposed to come out of one amp and the bottom three out of another. After that, I had a jazz box—a twin-pickup ES-175—for a long time.

As for acoustics, I had a no-name classical for a while but I didn’t really like it—the nylon strings didn’t offer enough resistance for the kind of fingerpicking I wanted to do. So I got a Martin OO-18 and ended up using it on my first several albums. That guitar is actually still around. At one point I gave it to my then-wife, and in turn she gave it to a friend of ours, who still has it.

When did you first get into jazz, which has obviously had a big influence on your writing and playing?

I started listening to jazz in the early 1960s and learning all about it through buying copies of DownBeat magazine when I was in high school. I would read about guitar players like Wes Montgomery, then go out and buy all the albums of his that I could afford. Through the drummer Chico Hamilton I got into the Hungarian-born guitarist Gábor Szabó, who brought a kind of odd Eastern European sound to jazz. Hamilton was primarily playing compositions by [saxophonist] Charles Lloyd—music that was quite fresh and captivating.

After high school you went to the Berklee College of Music. What was it like there in the 1960s?

Ottawa was a nice pace to grow up but it was very one-dimensional; I rarely, for instance, encountered black people there. In contrast, Boston was such a culturally fertile place, and the mid-’60s was a great time to be there.

What were you like as a player at that time?

Pretty crappy [laughs]. I knew more than some of my friends at Berklee because I had taken those lessons early on and been introduced to more sophisticated ways of approaching the guitar than found in rock ’n’ roll, but I didn’t really have a style of my own. I was being pulled in many different directions and was not so good at any of them.

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roy pemberton
on 11/05/2012
Bruce cockburn ls awesome lt seems that he is in the songs and draws you in as well very powerful and enjoyable music I love it
Dan
on 09/17/2012
I've seen a lot of players over the years and Bruce has to be in the high, upper percentile of finger style players. Not only that, but he can write a song too.
jeff jj johnson
on 09/16/2012
Hello i would like to say he is one of the most inspiring canadian musician i have ever listened to i listened when a very young kid that was 36 years ago an im in late forties i truly love his writing and guitar playing wonderful , i played professionally for years but left the biz, i just want to say thanks for a legend for inspiring me Regards j johnson
Michael Kirkby
on 01/30/2012
I've enjoyed Bruce Cockburn since the Sunwheel Dance days. Although I don't play anymore and haven't for years; I still appreciate good musicianship and lyrics. The song They Call It Democracy is even more relevant today. I'm sure there are things that Mr. Cockburn and I would disagree on but that certainly isn't one of them. Thanks for the music sir and if you and Don Ross ever decide to play together let me know.
Randy Frederick
on 05/20/2011
I’ve disagreed with Bruce on many issues but I’ve never question his compassion for his fellow human being. I’ve always held Bruce in high regard for his conviction for injustice around the world. See you in Portland on June 3rd. Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character.?--Henry Clay
Peter McGarr
on 05/03/2011
Although I haven't heard the new album yet I'm sure I'll get to hear some of it in Boston. He will be playing with Jenny Scheinman. Started listening to Bruce's music in the early eighties and found that poetry, story telling, and harmony were all part it. Funny that he never made top one hundred of Rolling Stones' greatest guitarists but only some of the better folk rock stations ever play Cockburn. Thanks BC.
Chris Grener
on 04/25/2011
Dear "Paul". Wow - Not that Mr. Cockburn needs defending... I have never responded in this type in public discourse format. I prefer to look a man in the eyes if I have something "negative" to say to him. Nor do I think that your comments deserve any debate. But, as you did not even use a last name to google... I was moved by your comments to read all of the article about Bruce to try to understand the hostility in your words. I could not make any sense or corelate the text to your statements. I do not know Mr. Cockburn but, I have met him and thus feel compelled to tell you that my in person impression to be quite the opposite of what you suggest. I can say as fact that no one can create with the passion and intrincate beauty that Bruce does with a "coward's" heart or mind. I think some forgiveness and compassion on your part for whatever you motivated you to write such hurt would be appropriate here.
Paul
on 03/25/2011
There are cowards who pick on people smaller than them, and worse cowards who pick on people who can't fight back, and even worse cowards who pick on the dead. His arrogant self righteousness is very very sad.
Pete Ekstam
on 03/24/2011
He's number one in my book. I try to introduce him to every musician I know, especially songwriters. Most people my age have no idea who he is (30) and are blown away once they take the plunge. He's a true master craftsman ringing with integrity. Love you Bruce! See you in Portland in June!
Steve Ashley
on 03/22/2011
I can still remember the first time I heard a Cockburn song. We were driving through the night from Melbourne to Adelaide...a boring 9 hour stint at the wheel. Fox fm was a cool station at the time and bang, out of the blue came " Wondering Where the Loins Are ". Man, that song blew me away. i was so transfixed and elated... I just pulled over, stopped the car right there and then in the darkness in the middle of nowhere and to the bemused annoyance of my sleepy travelling companion cranked the stereo! I've bought every album since, am always inspire and just heading out to pick up a copy of Small Source of Comfort. I bet I'll be just as blown away!



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