October 2011 \ Features \ Artist Interview \ Dream Theater: Drama Kings

Dream Theater: Drama Kings

Joe Charupakorn

Dream Theater’s twin shred deities—guitarist John Petrucci and bassist John Myung—discuss the hoopla over founding drummer Mike Portnoy’s departure, their tendon-thrashing hand workouts, and the recording of their latest epic, A Dramatic Turn of Events.


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Petrucci with one of his Music Man JP6 guitars. Photo by Michael Hurcomb

John P., in the past you’ve said you used to think of alternate picking and legato playing as two separate approaches, and that legato playing almost felt like cheating because you don’t have to pick every note. Later, you combined both approaches to play at what you call “hyper speed.”

Petrucci: Basically, if you’re alternate picking consecutively and then you stop to leave room for legato, the direction your pick left off and starts up again is where it normally would be if you were alternate picking, like where the downbeat is.

Do you mean like “down-up” then legato then starting again “down” on the next beat?

Petrucci:
That’s the simplified version, but yeah, the downbeats still fall where they would normally fall, like on the beat.

I know you also make it a point to practice the same line starting with both a downstroke and an upstroke. Do you do that with these types of combination lines as well?

Petrucci:
Yeah. It’s important to work on that sort of thing. I think this type of thing is a bit more natural. If you’re improvising it’s where it ends up, depending on where you’re starting. But it’s always good to practice things starting with different strokes so that you feel comfortable both ways. It’s funny, I was talking to Mike Mangini about this. He’s very into technique and plays at a highly developed level, and alternate picking is a very similar parallel to the left-right hand-foot coordination that drummers employ. Like if you have a weak hand or a weak foot or a weak upstroke, and you practice to make it strong and even.

Let’s talk gear now. Tell us about your Music Man instruments.

Petrucci:
I started working with Music Man over 11 years ago, and they’re an unbelievable company. We started with the original signature model, and now we have a whole line. Instead of discontinuing a model, we keep it available for sale. The cool thing is that they’re all unique in some way. It’s like having different spices in your spice rack.

Myung:
I’m using custom Music Man 6-string Bongo basses. I’ve had the one I’m playing now since last August, and it’s the best bass I’ve ever played.


Myung with one of his Music Man Bongo 6-string basses. Photo by Michael Hurcomb

From what I understand, it’s the first 6-string bass Music Man ever made.

Myung:
That’s right. The original Bongo prototype was a 6-string, but the neck and the body had been increased proportionately. I was living with that for a while, but it got to the point where it didn’t feel completely right, so we went with a tighter spacing and I went with superimposing six strings on a 5-string Bongo. That was close, but I wasn’t completely sold on it, so I kept playing the standard 6-strings, and then during the last tour I decided maybe the magic formula is keeping the body of the bigger scale but using the 5-string neck. That proved to be the winning combination. It’s basically the 5-string neck dimension, but with six strings. It’s really changed my world and made my life so much better.

John P., you’re partially responsible for making the Mesa/ Boogie Mark IIC+ the most sought-after vintage Mesa, and you’ve consistently used Boogie amps over the years. Your rig now features the Mark V, which has Mark IIC+ and Mark IV modes. Can the Mark V replicate those amp tones exactly?

Petrucci: It’s really, really close. You can’t even tell the difference. The whole record was done with the Mark V. All the rhythm guitars were done with the Mark IV mode, and all the guitar solos were done with the IIC+ mode. It sounds so incredible. I’ll have the Mark IV and IIC+ in the studio and A/B them, and not only can you not tell the difference, in many cases, the Mark V beats them with the improvements they made.

How so?

Petrucci: The Mark V uses newer parts and technology and has a more focused sound, in general.

Both of you have also incorporated the Fractal Audio Axe-Fx into your rigs.

Petrucci:
When I went into the studio, the Fractal guys came down and mic’d up my Mark V. We got this great guitar sound and they modeled it as closely as they could. I was then able to use that bank of Axe-Fx sounds to comfortably write and demo the album. It was incredibly convenient and simple, and it sounded amazing. Once the writing process was complete, I then mic’d up the Boogie and rerecorded all the guitars with the Mark V. Here and there, we ended up keeping the scratch guitar performances with the Fractal if it was something that just had that certain performance magic—mostly some clean stuff and a couple of short lines.

Myung: Right now, the Axe-Fx Ultra is the hub for all my effects. In the studio, I did a lot of modeling with the guys from Fractal Audio. We modeled a whole bunch of things that I needed but would be too hard to take on the road—stuff like a Pearce BC1 preamp, which I really like.

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YahooSerious
on 10/13/2011
A7X more viable than DT? Seriously? This appears to be the most twisted and incorrect interpretation of the events that unfolded.
Brad
on 10/10/2011
Petrucci has the soul of a ceramic dish...technical brilliance but no taste. the singer is over the top as is the music...and I love RUSH!!! they do prog right. Good for Portnoy....DT has been borish since their debut. Cant wait to hear Portnoy and John Sykes play!!!!
Tony
on 10/10/2011
Jeez guys, don't make stuff up about why Mike left. It had nothing to do with AX7. He NEVER intended to be a permanent member of AX7. Get your facts straight.
arra
on 10/09/2011
dream theater is DREAM THEATER..not w/o portnoy..not w/o petrucci..not w/o myung..and not w/o rudess... 4 of these music gods MADE the BAND.. changes can continue the reign.but NOT the LEGACY that the original Dream theater has created.
Ian Perge
on 10/01/2011
As a fan since hearing "Metropolis" on Long Island's local radio Metal Show in '92 but having moved away since "Train Of Thought", the new album has done what I once thought could never happen... brought me *back* into the DT camp. Replacing blatant attempts at copying younger, popular bands such as Muse and the decedents of the Nu-Metal scene with Portnoy's attempts at "Metal Vocalizations" and horrific lyrics, generic "Guitar Lead"/"Keyboard Lead"/"Unison & Harmony Leads" sections in far too many songs, and downright sonically bad Guitar & Drum-heavy mixes that hardly left room for the other members with what sounds like studied writing sessions that removed the vast majority of the above. Add a new drummer who is at the top of his game and yet still practices compared to one who said many times that "[he didn't] play at home after a tour was done" and had stopped being the "young gun" of the '90s *years* ago has made ADTOE one of the Albums Of The Year in a year of great albums, and easily Dream Theater's best release since "Scenes From A Memory"/"6 Degrees Of Inner Turbulence". Portnoy's terrible bluff at "Band Poker" as turned into the best thing to happen to his former band since they took away Jordan Rudess' "Clown Shoes" Ragtime Piano patch for this latest album! ;-)
John
on 09/30/2011
While loving what MP did and was for the band - to which I'll be forever loyal - he wanted to take 5 (five) years off - not 1 - and I felt there was something way off when I met them in Rome back in 09 - Mike was not happy being there and you could read it a mile away...so much that I wasn't even sure if I should say hi - and he took off. The new album is great as always but that doest mean - for me - that their past is to be forgotten - it's what made them who they are today. In the end he needed to do what he felt best
Scott
on 09/29/2011
Dramatic Turn of Events is the best DT album in years. JP you rock!
Jeff
on 09/29/2011
Time for honesty. Loved Portnoy's drumming, but I like the overall "feel" better now. There is a slightly "sweeter" sound now. As a guitar player, I am amazed by JP. I look forward to seeing the video of the drummer search. My all-time favorite DT song is "The Spirit Carries On".
AX7 fan
on 09/29/2011
AX7 lol
HUNTER
on 09/29/2011
Sorry i love DT.. but the last couple efforts were kinda boring.. IMHO. If Portnoy wanted to take a break and do something different for a year.. I respect that.. And think the other guys just wanted to continue the cycle (write-record-tour-repeat) that ends up watering down most bands.. Maybe its good for everyone.. If DT was in such a hurry to keep said pace, as though "not not to be forgotten" and couldnt give Mike the space to do something else.. then it its what it is. There is no money in records.. Artists have to tour to make money.. At a certian point its not about money.. its about passion. If you dont feel it, you dont feel it.



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