August 2012 \ Gigging & Recording \ Cheapskate Collective: Craigslist and The 11-Point Cheap Gear Check

Cheapskate Collective: Craigslist and The 11-Point Cheap Gear Check

Aubrey Singer

Before you head over to that mystery house across town to investigate a too-good-to-be-true deal, read these tips--and share your own!


Premier Guitar August 2012

Notwithstanding the occasional psychopath trolling the personals, Craigslist is the premiere classified section of life in the digital domain. Chances are, your city has its own Craigslist, populated by sellers who are too cheap or broke to pay eBay’s listing fees, thus passing the savings on to you! Assume any price has been padded by at least $50 worth of negotiating room. So if you want the guitar, make an offer.

Try to know as much as possible about the guitar before meeting it in person. Arrive prepared. Ask the seller if there’s an amp. If not, bring your own. Any one of the dozens of subcompact combos under $99 will suffice, and they’re small enough to fit where you usually keep your excuses for sounding like crap. Bring a set of Allen wrenches and a magnifying glass. Seriously. Also ask for the original bill-of-sale and/or any original manufacturing documentation originally packaged with the guitar.

Finally, remember why you’re there: to buy an instrument, not to show off your latest lick. Because regardless of whether or not your playing is the shit, it’s important to know if the guitar is, y’know, just shit. Here’s how:

1. Remove your jacket and make sure your belt buckle isn’t exposed so you don’t scratch the finish. This tells the seller that you know your stuff (unless the next words out of your mouth are, “So, like, how do you work it?”)

2. Plug in on a clean setting. Make sure each pickup works with the toggle. A Strat should give you five tones, whereas a dual humbucker configuration gives you three. A dead pickup is worth up to $75 off. Check the pots. The volume should turn all the way up and all the way down (to silence). The tone pots should be discernible. If you hear scratchiness, that’s worth $15 off.

3. Wiggle the cord at the jack and see if there’s crackle. Hear one? It’s worth $20.

4. Check the guitar body at all points of contact with the hardware, including the nut. Bust out your magnifying glass. You’re looking for stress fractures and/or glued bits, usually at the headstock and bridge. If you find one—especially if it wasn’t mentioned in the listing—consider walking. If the guitar is worth anything, knock at least $100 off the price.

5. Test the tuners. Take each string down two full stops, then bring it back to pitch. If you feel gear-skipping or major latency, that’s worth $40. Usually, you’ll need to buy an entire set of new tuners just to replace one.

6. Make sure the truss rod isn’t stripped. Very important. If the seller doesn’t have an Allen key, use your own. If the nut is stripped, walk. Or knock $250 off the price, because your next stop will be a qualified luthier.

7. If the guitar has a Floyd, make sure all the Allen screws aren’t stripped. Again, use your wrench to test. Check the clamps at the locking nut. Are they nice and thick? Or thin and small? If the latter, it’s a crappy clone. You can replace it with a real Floyd for around $80.

8. If it’s a Fender MIM, MIJ, or USA Strat with a vibrato, look at the tone block. If it’s a nice, thick block of steel, you’re good. If it’s thin cheap alloy crap, something is fishy. The bridge may not be original. Nothing may be original.

9. Check the neck. Hold up the guitar to your chin like a violin and make sure the neck is straight. Don’t look down the headstock towards the body. That’s a giveaway you’re amateur night.

10. Look through your magnifying glass. Take a good look at the frets, especially from 12 to 22. You’re looking for wear, nicks, and scuffs. You want to make sure the frets can still handle a few more leveling sessions, especially in that region. The taller, the better. Personally, I would bring a Fret-Rocker. The more uneven the frets, the lower the price. Then again, I would also bring a deerstalker hat to go with the magnifying glass, and then speak in a British accent during the entire process. But that’s me.

11. Play the guitar. If the action is too high, it’s been set to conceal buzzing or bad frets. The action should be decent. If not, ask if you may adjust it, and then bust out your Allen wrenches. Then play some open chords and listen for buzzing. Play some chromatic runs in the first position across all strings. Then bend the last three strings (G/B/E) at each fret, up a full stop from fret 1 to 22. The notes should sustain without being choked by the radius of the neck. If a note chokes, there’s an uneven fret somewhere. Knock $20 off or each choke you hear.

If you haven’t already been shown to the door or tied to the shower curtain, make an offer based on your findings. If you’ve discovered issues during the exam, remind the seller that a good setup by a decent luthier runs about $120. If he doesn’t budge, try haggling in an hard-to-place accent with flailing gestures. But don’t be a dick. If you’re buying a $600 G&L for $150, just do steps 6 and 10 and keep it elementary, Watson.

What are your tips for surviving a Craigslist sale? Post them in the comments or email us at cheapskatecollective@gmail.com.


     

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John Thompson
on 08/08/2012
@cheapo. We know no one pays MSRP, I was just simply stating that most gear cost (to a retail store) is half of MSRP; that is something most people do not know. that has some basis on what used gear costs in case you didn't connect the dots. Its supply and demand as someone said. Cost is determined by what someone will pay for something, not what you think its worth.
: )
on 08/08/2012
UH,#9 is correct and Final answer,since 1981,I`ve never heard or considered looking for a bow from headstock to body? AS a matter a fact reading the comments,I stopped & tried for the first time.I could not see the imperfection that I could see,holding guitar by the body.. Its called "line of site" holding the Body give you access to maneuver the guitar in vary-is axis.by looking backwards from headstock,you`ve already place your view in side the Bow or too close to it..I never met any one who could set up an AX thats play`s faster than my setup....
Cheapo Central
on 08/07/2012
@ John Thompson: nobody pays MSRP on new gear, unless you are a complete idiot, we agree. I know the price of gear, thanks. I also now what to ask for. I've had Ibanez Prestige guitars and guys wanting to give me $200 for a near new guitar, not gonna happen. Junk is junk, you want the good stuff, pay the price. But there are the type of guy that swipes band gear off the back of trucks, they get great deals. ;-)
John Thompson
on 08/06/2012
@cheapo...cost on most new gear is half off msrp. There is no set % on used gear on cl music gear at least not for me. My ave has been closer to 25%. I think the point of some of those posts is to negotiate where both parties feels its a win-win.
Cheapo Central
on 08/06/2012
Cheapskate sheetsheet: 80% off retail price: gouger/thief/bottom-feeder 50-65%: hardballer 35-45%: looking for reasonable deal 15-25%: what most end up with. I sell online, this seems to be about right to me.
BoogieChilli n
on 08/06/2012
I tend to agree with those speaking about negotiating. Its to be expected. If anyone makes a low offer and you don't like it, just decline and give another figure. Happens in sells every minute of every day and you can't take it personally. No matter how good you think you are at pricing, there a 100 more people who generally have no clue both buying and selling. I buy and sell something on CL probably every week (not all music related). You have to be willing to deal. Its those that don't make offers that have already passed on your merchandise, so I take any offer as opportunity. Leave the ego on the shelf; negotiate. Now as far as buying goes, do your homework. If its what YOU want, then buy it. If it is not what YOU want; pass.
Spanky
on 08/06/2012
@Jack. I've been buying and selling a very long time, have a marketing degree, own several music stores and I wrote a book about buying and selling on craigslist. You can buy it on Amazon and most national chain bookstores. Just because you do something doesn't mean it's the norm or works holistically. Many people over price things all the time on CL. People like to haggle, that's a 100% given. If you put "firm" on a price, most people will ignore your add (Marketing books says it gives the impression you are hard to deal with). Those without prices get completely overlooked. And even though you don't like it, people make low offers because many people take those offers. I make offers based on supply and demand, not just a wild guess at a number. Just because we are in a bad economy doesn't mean a buyer is "taking advantage" of you by making a low offer. Demand is low and supply is high. Heck, its how Warren Buffet became so rich; when everyone else was bailing out of the stock market, he was in there buying and saying it was all on SALE! You have the right to not sell any instrument and the buyer has the right to walk for any reason. It's a two way street and nothing personal. I said "if they don’t negotiate, walk". NEGOTIATE is not the buyer being firm on a low offer nor the seller being firm on an asking price. It’s simply a starting point, but if the seller doesn't budge one cent, then I walk because there are many more items out there for sale just like it. I'm not paying any private individual retail pricing, even you. I don't have to and I'm "firm" on that.
Jack
on 08/04/2012
As someone who both buys and sells on CL and formerly on Ebay, I have to take serious issue with Spanky's LOWBALL strategy. When I am buying I like to bargain as much as the next guy so I don't mind when people are reasonable in their negotiations. Sometimes though I just can't be bothered to haggle so I put FIRM Price on my ad (another thing I disagree with the Spankster). I've been buying and selling gear since the age of 15 and now that I am 47, I am very confident in my ability to fairly price an instrument. Which brings me to WHAT REALLY DRIVES ME CRAZY: INSULTING LOW BALL OFFERS that are really designed to take advantage of the desperate economic situation many of us find ourselves in from time to time. Sometimes when I really really need money to let's say keep my cell phone on I have let guitars go for significantly less than they were worth. Which brings me to another aspect of the CL experience: lots of folks have suggested that as a buyer you should be prepared to walk if something is right with the guitar and it's going to need a lot of $ to fix up. That's fine advice. It work just as fine IF YOU ARE THE SELLER: If some creap is trying to take advantage of you by offering less than $150 off of your price (a figure for the sake of argument, obviously with an expensive guitar the number might realistically be higher) DON'T BE AFRAID TO TELL THE ERSTWHILE BUYER TO TAKE A HIKE. If you are asking a fair price someone will come along and buy your guitar eventually. I am selling a guitar (a Rickenbacker) that I am asking $950 for, fortunately I am not in a hurry to sell it so I can wait on my FIRM PRICE and I'll happily keep the guitar (it isn't the Rickenbacker I want but it is the Rickenbacker I have and ALL Rickenbackers are very well make guitars that hold their value) if no wants to pay me my asking price. I try to keep my sense of humor through it all: to the last guy who offered me $800, I congratulated him for having only $150 to go to meet my FIRM pric
Some Jerk
on 08/04/2012
I went into the local big-box retailer and picked up a low priced guitar, I won't mention the brand. It was brand new and it had shoddy paint work, sharp fret ends, a tuner that had a stripped screw and other obvious flaws. I pointed this out to the smug guy behind the guitar counter and basically said "so what?". I watched him take the guitar back over and put it back on the rack. The point of this is you can buy brand new, straight out of the box clunkers. Find a great local luthier/repair-guy and become his best friend. Read up and know how to do the basics.
Anton
on 08/03/2012
Im a luthier and have seen more wrecks from ebay than cl. If some one brings junk then I tell them what it cost to fix and thats they're choice. It gets aggravating but if they bought junk then the probably won't fix it. I kinda agree with Motivated seller if your experienced you will know. Even new guitars need luthier work to play the best for each individual and if you went into a shop with fret rocker and magnifing glass you might be appaulled at the condition of frets and finish ion brand new instruments.



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