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Beefing Up Channel 2 in Fender's The Twin

Jeff Bober
Premier Guitar December 2012


Found in backlines around the globe: Fender’s burly 100-watt, red-knob The Twin 2x12 combo. Photo courtesy of ampwares.com

Hi Jeff,
I have a couple of Fender The Twin amps: a red-knob version (from 1988, I think) and a black knob 1992 model. I’m trying to improve the second channel of these amps. The gain channel seems to be very loose and grainy with not much bottom end. I’ve tried every combination of preamp tubes I can think of with no success. I’m hoping for a dirty, Eric Johnson-inspired rhythm tone. From what I understand, in his multi-amp rig he uses 6L6 output tubes for his dirty rhythm tone. I’m hoping that because my amp contains 6L6 power tubes, I’ll be able to get close to that sound. (I assume Eric’s EL34-based lead sound would be out of the question.) Any help would be appreciated.
Cheers,
Damien


Hi Damien,
Getting Eric Johnson’s dirty rhythm sound is a tall order indeed. Johnson has a unique playing style that’s an integral part of his tone. I think most players believe that if any of us walked up to his rig, picked up his guitar, and started playing, it probably wouldn’t sound exactly like Eric Johnson. Furthermore, using your red-knob Fender 2x12 combo to nail the sound he typically gets using a Marshall amp and 4x12 extension cabinet is, in my opinion, simply not achievable. That said, I’ll give you some simple suggestions that will hopefully bring The Twin closer to a tone you’ll find more useful, as well as dealing with the loose and grainy characteristics you mention. Luckily for you, Eric did, at least for some time, use a Marshall with 6L6 tubes in the output for his dirty rhythm tone, so at least you’ve got that going for you. Let me pull a schematic and get to work.

One of the many apparent differences between The Twin and most Marshalls is the part of the circuit known as the tone stack. This area of the circuit goes a long way in shaping the amp’s “voice.” Because the value of the tone potentiometers is different between the two amps, as well as the fact that the Fender’s tone stack is driven by the plate of a tube, while the Marshall’s is cathode driven, the two will never function identically. But let’s at least change a few component values to give channel 2 more of a Marshall voice.

In the Fender schematic p/n 026059 Rev M (which in my opinion has a grievous error in the channel 1 tone stack diagram), we’ll be dealing with C12, 13, and 14, as well as R25. Stock values for the caps here are 250 pF, 0.1 μF, and 0.047 μF, respectively. While these values achieve a nice typical “Fender-y” tone, they won’t get close to producing a Marshall’s more midrange-oriented tone. I suggest changing these values to a 470 pF, 0.022 μF, and 0.022 μF.

Also, the “slope” resistor R25 should be changed from 100k to a smaller 56k value. This resistor governs the relationship between the treble section and the mid/bass section of the tone stack and will provide more signal to the latter. The capacitors I suggest swapping should have a minimum voltage rating of 500V and the resistor should be at least 1/2 watt, although I prefer to use 1-watt resistors (which I’ve always used in all my amps for increased reliability).

Now let’s take a look down the line. This amp has quite a few bells and whistles (mid boost, treble boost, bass boost, notch). In order to achieve the result you’re after, I’d suggest not using them— especially the bass boost. This function adds two additional 25 μF cathode bypass caps across the cathode resistors of two tubes in the gain stage. While this does increase the gain in the amp’s lower registers, it also tends to muddy things up when overdone. In this section of the amp, I think the default 0.68 μF cathode caps will achieve a better result.

You mentioned the amp did not have much bottom end, but we’re going to see if we can increase that in a moment. If after this increase you feel the amp still does not have enough bass, I’d suggest removing capacitor C17 (22 μF) from the bass boost section and then try using the bass boost function, which should now produce a better result.

Moving closer to the amp’s output stage, just prior to the phase inverter you’ll find V3A. This tube provides signal recovery from the effects loop and input to the phase inverter section, and it has a 2.2k cathode resistor and no bypass cap. I’d suggest adding a 22 μF 25V cap here in parallel with the 2.2k resistor to increase the amp’s overall bass response. This will be a polarized cap, so be sure to attach the “+” side of the cap to the end of the resistor connected to pin 3 of V3. This will affect both channels, so if it’s simply too much of an increase, feel free to reduce the value to 10 μF or even 2.2 μF and see if that serves you better overall.

For my last suggestion, let’s move to the feedback loop. In this amp Fender uses a 1.2k resistor, R119. This low value helps to keep the output stage of The Twin clean, but also sounds a bit sterile. Let’s open it up a bit by substantially increasing the value of this resistor. Try a 10k and see how you like it. You could increase the value to 22k or even 47k. The higher the value, the more overdrive and harmonic content will be generated in the output stage.

I hope these suggestions help transform The Twin into The Twin in your quest for tone.

Warning: All tube amplifiers contain lethal voltages. The most dangerous voltages are stored in electrolytic capacitors, even after the amp has been unplugged from the wall. Before you touch anything inside the amp chassis, it’s imperative that these capacitors are discharged. If you are unsure of this procedure, consult your local amp tech.


Jeff Bober is one of the godfathers of the low-wattage amp revolution, co-founded and was the principal designer for Budda Amplification. Jeff recently launched EAST Amplification, and he can be reached at pgampman@gmail.com.

     

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emg
on 01/20/2013
Have one red knob twin since '94 - played it excessively and still my main amp. Changed power tubes many times and preamps tubes a couple times. Bought a second one as a backup (which I never needed) but it did not sound the same! I would a/b between the two and the second one didn't stack up. should have gone through the tubes and made them identical, but sold it instead. Clean is sparkling bell-like chiming sound, reverb is a masterpiece. Played many years with the second channel as my overdrive tone, then went to footpedals for about 10 years, and now going back to the second channel. PRS EG bolt on (original, not SE) for most of the time and recently deluxe strat. Amp is bombproof and had my first failure after setting it up for a while in a humid basement (omh selector switch on the back went bad). Good amp, reasonably priced as the fender purists dont like them!
David
on 11/25/2012
@Jeffro Bodine, amen to that. Guitarists don't have any originality anymore. Everyone is so insecure they need to sound just like so-and-so, and have this huge hangup on vintage gear. I like tube amps, and I like SS too. One thing though, you really don't want a lot of bottom end on a guitar amp. That's fine when your are playing all by yourself in your bedroom. But you will fill up all the available sonic space for the drums and bass, and too much bass on your amp saps your power.
David
on 11/25/2012
@Whipman, I used to play with a guitarist with the SS red knob Twin back in the 80s, and he got a great tone out of it. And he was a tube amp guy. Used an old Ampeg Gemini II until it blew up on him. If you are a good guitarist, you can get a great tone out of anything. If your playing is so-so, then you need a tube amp or fuzz pedal to make up for it.
Whipman
on 11/23/2012
Alot of confusion when you mention Red Knob Fender's I own four of The Twins and they're definitely tube. I also a couple of other Red Knob era amps both tube and solid state and anyone who says they can can get The Twin tube tone from a solid state Red Knob better back up a few more feet from their stack or get to an ear doctor!
heartstrings
on 11/23/2012
This amp is definitely not solid state, this amp is 100 watt of monster tube power. Awesome amp...heavy as hell. Loud and louder. I own one of these as my primary amp cool thing about it is I can remove two of the power tubes and get about half the wattage and then I can flip the switch to low power and run around 1/4 of the power of the amp. Also, this amp is frequently and will forever confused with 'THE EVIL' Twin which it is not ("damn red knobs all look the same"). 'The Evil' Twin took this amps place on the production line with less bells and whistles and less 'umph'. Know this and live by it.
Jeffro Bodine
on 11/22/2012
I love it when I hear people talk about getting a tube amp sound from solid state circuits. both type of amps have pros and cons. But, no solid state or emulated amp is going to achieve the roundness or squawk of an all tube amplifier. On a different note, why is everyone so obsessed with achieving someone else's tone? Why not be your own animal and find what works for you rather than waste time and money copying someone else.
Tentwing 16
on 11/21/2012
I also own two red knob series Fender amps from the late '80's, and both are solid state. (With these amps, I will never go back to tubes. Tube amps are just too heavy for me.) One is a Deluxe 85 and the other is a Princeton Chorus. I love both amps, and think they have more than enough bottom end. In the clean channel,as well as in the gain channel, I can get the window panes to rattle. They have more bottom than the later black knob '90's series that followed them, even though I think they were supposed to be the same amps with different cosmetics. I had one of those later ones and got rid of it, but I will not sell my red knobs.--However I am not trying to duplicate Johnson's tone. I try rather too find my own sound, and I can with these amps, especially for jazz, blues, and country styles. I have never heard a red knob The Twin. But I find it hard to believe that it doesn't have enough bottom. Maybe try a different guitar.
daffy_duck_n j
on 11/21/2012
I can get that exact tone from some of Fender's solid state amps from that period, esp. the ones that run at 50 watts or more. I own a 1987 Deluxe 85 that can spit out a similar tone with just the first gain stage on the overdrive channel. Put the gain at about 6 or 7, treble at 5, mid at about 6 or 7, and bass at 5. "Look ma, NO TUBES!" ;)



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