Ramm playing his No. 2 Gibson SG, a 2010
Standard model with stock humbuckers.
You guys branched out a bit, stylistically,
on Lights Out. What was the goal this
time around?
Just to make good songs and broaden our
material even more than on Hisingen Blues.
We’ve never really had any plans to go in a
certain direction or create something that
sounds a certain way. We just try to make
songs that we like as if we were the audience.
One thing that I think is big for what
we do is that we jam a lot—more than any
band I’ve been in before. I know a lot of
bands and musicians practice and rehearse
for tours and right before studio sessions,
but we play and rehearse all the time just
to hang out and pass the time. When
one of us brings an idea for a song to
the practice space, we try and jam on it
for a while and take it through the collective
grinder. We might end up with
something completely different than
where the idea started, but that’s why we
embrace jamming.
If we just came together to rehearse or
to bring ideas to flesh out, we wouldn’t
get as diverse or eclectic with our
songs—and that’s what I think you’re
continuing to hear in Lights Out.
Graveyard albums have a very organic,
vintage-’70s feel—down to the sorts of
crackles we associate with vinyl. How
do you achieve that in a world dominated
by digital recording equipment?
Don [Ahlsterberg, producer] uses all-analog
equipment and records onto
tape—it’s been that way since we
recorded the first Graveyard album in
2007. He actually hates all that digital
stuff, but that’s why we choose to continue
to work with him to this day—he
knows what we like and we appreciate
and understand his approach to recording.
Plus, he pushes us to record live as a
full band as much as we can. Our goal is
to capture and harness the raw emotion
and feeling that’s produced when we’re
all playing music together as a cohesive
unit. We’re not looking to be perfect—
it’s not supposed to be, at least in our
eyes. I mean, that’s what makes music
so beautiful, natural, and special is the
human element. If I completely screw
something up, we’ll redo it, but we don’t
worry about every snare hit or upstroke
on the guitar being precise. That type
of programmable logic makes music feel
forced and stale.
For solos, I generally take my time
and redo those after our live take. I like
to plan things out and really do a service
to the song and make sure it fits and it’s
not just me noodling all over the song
with no rhyme or reason. However, there
were a few solo parts on Lights Out that
were live takes, like sections of “Seven
Seven” and “Endless Night.”
In the last minute of “An Industry of
Murder,” you play two small solos—
the first is very melodic and locked-in,
and the second is a bit crazier—what
were you going for there?”
In the first part, I was trying for more
of an intro or build-up, with a complementary
rhythm riffing that coincided
with what Rikard and Axel were doing
that led into the actual solo, or the second
part you identified. For that part,
I’m playing the song out alongside the
siren-sounding theremin. I figured I’d try
something new and different, so I used
Don’s wah pedal. I’m no Hendrix with
the wah, but I wanted to add another
tone that meshed with the theremin’s
funkiness. It’s the only spot I use a wah
on the record and it works. With the
wah, I think moderation is key, otherwise
it sounds gimmicky.
“We play music we would want to hear if we
were in the crowd watching us,” Ramm says.
You get some pretty amazing feedback
leading into the solo in “Seven Seven.”
I was pushing the headstock into my
amp head while crawling around on my
knees and playing to get enough feedback
because the Hiwatt has a lot of
headroom. I sometimes turn on either
one of MXR pedals to cheat a bit and
boost the volume and push the amp
even harder, but I prefer to just do it
with my guitar and amp only. Feedback
is spontaneous. It’s different every time
you go for it, but what I always try to
do is start small and controlled, because
you’re able to keep things musical and
in check. Incrementally increasing
volume and squeal is easier than trying to
put the lid back on a monster once you’ve
awoken it [laughs].
“The Suits, the Law, & the Uniforms”
sounds like a CCR cover done by
Sabbath. How did that come about?
I just start every song looking to take a
chance. For that one, we all dialed in how the
song was going to be structured and the pace
of Joakim’s vocals, I wanted to go for a very
aggressive, bluesy-meets-punk tone. I recorded
all the main parts with my SG in the neck
position and used one of the MXR pedals to
get that extra oomph and creaminess.
Near the end, it sounds like there are some
horns making a ruckus in the background—
like something you’d hear from the Stooges.
[Laughs.] That’s totally what we were
going for, but no one can do it like the
Stooges. Their song “Fun House” was
our inspiration. We had already recorded
the song and just thought during playback
that all the song was missing was a
saxophone—something you don’t hear
in most rock bands. We had a local saxophonist
come down, because we wanted
to make it a bit more offbeat and different
from our typical Graveyard stuff—and
we’ve all been really getting into the
Stooges, so we went for it.
What prompted you to play slide on
“Endless Nights”?
It was one of the last songs we worked on
and I was worried that my playing was
becoming stale or redundant, so I figured
if I played slide—even if not very
good—it would be different. It worked
out as a good experiment. It was out of
my comfort zone and really pushed me
to focus. I think you have to do that to
grow as a guitarist instead of just learning
scales or playing faster notes. I don’t even
know exactly what open tuning I’m in—
somewhere between C and G—because
I had to tweak each string to get in a key
that Joakim could sing over. I have some
work ahead of me before we decide to play
that song live. I’m just glad the guys were
patient with me.
Jonatan Ramm's Gear
Guitars
1968 Gibson SG Special, 2010
Gibson SG Standard
Amps
Hiwatt Custom 100, Orange
Rockerverb 50 MK II, Vox AC50
head, Hiwatt 4x12 loaded with
Celestion Vintage 30s
Effects
MXR GT-OD, MXR Micro Amp
Strings, Picks, and Accessories
Jim Dunlop Tortex 1.0 mm picks,
Ernie Ball Skinny Top/Heavy
Bottom .010–.052 strings, Boss
TU-2 Tuner
In Lights Out’s slower songs—like “Slow
Motion Countdown” and “Hard Time
Lovin’”—it’s impressive how your playing
patiently stays out of Joakim’s way
as he builds up the increasingly aggressive
vocals.
I really enjoy listening to slower, more
soulful songs, and that’s how I like to
write, too. I like to have plenty of time to
hit sustaining, edge-of-feedback notes and
bend them all over.
Just like how I feel about gear—less
is more. You have to pick your spots as a
guitarist. I know a lot of players that want
the loudest, most distorted tone, and they
scramble to fill every open space with as
many notes as possible so they can be heard
and be No. 1. We’re guitarists, we have egos
[laughs], but if you really want to work
within a band and make a piece of music
the best it can be sometimes you need to
throttle back and wait.