Photo by Chris Kies
“I’ve been away for too long” wails Chris Cornell on the
opening track of King Animal—the first album of all-new
Soundgarden material since 1996’s Down on the Upside.
Yes, you have—welcome back, guys. It’s been so long that even Axl
Rose had probably grown impatient.
Soundgarden solidified its grunge-fueled ’90s legacy on bassist Ben
Shepherd and drummer Matt Cameron’s locomotive rhythm section
and Cornell’s iconic howl, which placed him alongside Kurt Cobain,
Eddie Vedder, and Layne Staley on grunge’s Mt. Rushmore. But the
linchpin that held everything together and gave it color and depth was
guitarist Kim Thayil’s chameleonic playing, which is equal parts ominous,
Tony Iommi-style riffing, psychedelically swirling rhythms, and
droning, Indian-flavored soloing.
“We got together and jammed—we just let the music dictate to
us before committing to or planning anything,” says Thayil of the
long-awaited reunion. “If it still wasn’t there, I can honestly say this
album wouldn’t have happened. It is still there and I’m just happy
to be back playing music with friends that I enjoy the intimate
sharing of ideas with.”
Rather than rehashing old material like Van Halen did this year
with their much-anticipated comeback album, or trying to model
the material after past successes the way so many other reformed
groups have, the grunge godfathers branched out in the way longtime
fans hoped they would—and in a way decidedly not foreshadowed
by the uncharacteristically slick and mainstream-feeling “Live
to Rise” theme they provided for The Avengers earlier this year.
Examples of that experimentalism include Thayil’s mandolin solo
and Pink Floyd-style wah trickery in “A Thousand Days Before.”
Futher, both that track and “Black Saturday” also incorporate a
Faith No More-style horn arrangement.
“I’m still an angry dude,” laughs Thayil, “I’m just older. I still
push the band to be heavy and dark—that’s always been my role.”
New musical twists aside, Soundgarden is as complex as ever.
King Animal represents the best elements of Soundgarden’s past,
including the slow-motion, train-wreck grinder of “Rowing”
(which is reminiscent of “4th of July”), the cruising-and-bruising
rawness of “Been Away Too Long” (which carries echoes of
“Spoonman”), and the alluringly creepy-crawly feel of “Bones of
Birds” (think “Black Hole Sun”).
PG recently talked with Thayil about his unwavering love for
Guild S-100s, how he sets up his chorus pedals, and why you
should never call him a “lead guitarist.”
How was recording different this
time than in the ’80s and ’90s?
Well, we didn’t have predetermined
deadlines set by the
record company—that was great.
I originally thought we’d have
the bulk of this done by the
summer of 2011 [laughs], but
once we started rolling and felt
that inertia of the music coming
together, one of us would have
to head out for a tour, or Adam
[Kasper, producer] would end
up having someone else lined up
for the studio. I think the only
issue this time around was when
we’d reconvene and jump back
into an unfinished part or song
from the previous session.
You once said you brought
in your couch to be more
comfortable during the
Superunknown recording sessions.
Did you do anything
to help you concentrate and
execute in the studio for this
album?
[Laughs] No, no … I never
brought my own couch in—my
girlfriend would’ve killed me.
What happened was that, in the
main recording room, they set
up a standing lamp and a couch
from the lounge in the studio.
The room was so big, with high
ceilings and fluorescent lights,
and I just hated it because it felt
like being in a dentist’s office.
One thing I’ve always done
since that recording was dim
the lights, because I prefer the
evening feel that a darker room
presents. When the lights are
up, it’s like you’re doing work
in an office, but when it’s more
relaxed and a bit darker, I feel
more relaxed and creative in
that sort of intimate setting.
You’ve played Guild S-100s
since the early days. Did you
mainly use S-100s in the studio
this time around?
Yes, but I also used a Guild
S-300. A few years back, I
picked up a few late-’70s S-300s
that came with DiMarzio Super
Distortion and PAF humbuckers.
What I like about these
particular S-300s is that they
sound even louder and have a
more defined crunch to them.
Ben and Chris even commented
during the studio sessions that
they like them a lot because
they cut through really well and
have beef and body. Normally,
I’ll use an S-300 live when I’m
the only guitarist for songs like
“Outshined.”
I used some Teles on the
new album here and there,
for when I play in the open
C–G–C–G–G–E tuning
featured in King Animal’s “A
Thousand Days Before.” I
played my Firebird quite a bit
on King Animal, when I’m
playing in the E–E–B–B–B–B
tuning used on “Down on
the Upside” and “My Wave.”
For most of the dropped-D
stuff, I use my S-100s. One of
the surprises of the recording
was our producer’s guitar, this
Gibson Trini Lopez signature
model, which was great for the
clear, hollow, bell-like tones
used for layering. I think the
biggest thing for me—and the
reason I need to get an ES-335
as soon as possible—is that the
neck is so thin and fast with
low action, and it has plenty of
clarity and resonance.
Kim Thayil of Soundgarden plays a Gibson Firebird at the Hollywood Palladium in October of 1991. Photo by Marty
Temme
What did you initially like
about the playability and tone
of S-100s, compared to the SGs
they’re obviously based on—
and are those the same reasons
you still mainly use them?
The neck is faster than the
standard SG necks. Secondly,
those S-100s were affordable
[laughs]… I was 18 or so
and bought it used in 1978
for about $200. But once I
really started to play that first
S-100, I realized how well it
played with low action. The
SG neck was thicker and
the fretboard seemed wider,
and my hands couldn’t really
navigate that as easily as the
S-100. I really like the stock
Guild pickups—I have all the
original Guild pickups in my
S-100s—because they produce
a hot, loud, rambunctious
tone, which I love! Plus, the
stock tuning pegs on the Guild
S-100s are Grovers and they
have the perfect ratio and really
take a lot of force to get out
of tune.
What amps did you use primarily
on the new album?
I mainly went with the stuff
I’ve been using live—Mesa/
Boogie Electra Dyne heads and
Tremoverb 2x12 combos. I
really paid less attention to the
gear this time around, because
I knew that the Mesa/Boogie
stuff was solid and has worked
for me. Other amps that I
plugged into during the sessions
were Matt’s ’60s Vox AC30,
Ben’s ’50s Fender Champ, and
Adam’s Ampeg VT-22, Savage
Audio Rohr 15 combo, Fender
Vibroverb, and Fender Pro Jr.
The Tremoverb was around in
the ’90s, but the Electra Dyne
is only a few years old. How
did you get hooked on that?
Our drum tech, Neil Hundt,
who was my guitar tech for
Lollapalooza 2010, happened
to have an Electra Dyne
head with a 4x12 when we
went to rehearse. When I got
there, Matt brought a Mesa/
Boogie Tremoverb combo
and Neil had one, too. I just
really liked how it sounded
and it felt almost instantly
like Soundgarden. What I
instantly noticed about the
Electra Dyne was how loud
and versatile it was. I’m really
able to have an organic, full,
pushed-gain tone that I can
back off with my volume knob
for the rhythm parts, like
during “Fell on Black Days”
or during the intro to “Black
Hole Sun.” I don’t really like
a quiet, thin, clean tone—it
might work when you have a
Tele and you’re playing country
or chicken-pickin’. I like it to
be thick, warm, and loud.
What is it you like about
how the Electra Dyne and
Tremoverb amps complement
each other?
Both amps have 6L6 power
tubes and are on all the time
and about equal in level—one
isn’t really dominant over the
other. The Electra Dyne provides
the top and the bottom of
the tone, while the Tremoverb
sort of fills the middle with
its focused, driven sound that
provides my tone’s bite. The
Tremoverb might get dialed
a little dirtier while leaving
more headroom on the Electra
Dyne set in the 45-watt mode.
The preamp level is about 2
o’clock and the master around
9 o’clock. I use both the red
and orange channels on the
Tremoverb set to vintage high
gain and blues.
“A Thousand Days Before”
has a “Burden in My Hands”-
type vibe, with tinges of
Indian sitar-like tones. How
did you get those?
I remember playing around with
a sitar during the Badmotorfinger
period, and I heard Metallica use
a sitar on Metallica in ’91, but
we opted not to use the electric
sitar because it sound a little
too gimmicky for us. The key
to that sound for what we do is
an open slide tuning, C–G–C–
G–G–E. That’s what facilitates
that droning effect. Before we
finished the song, its working
title was “Country Eastern,”
because we incorporated some
chicken-pickin’ playing, too. But
with that open tuning and the
S-100 and the amp’s tonal setup,
it gave it a very distinct Eastern
vibe. Underneath the main
guitar track there is an electric
tambura that Adam is playing,
which creates an odd groaning
sound. It works for that song
and how low-key it is, but I just
never want to overdo anything
like that … I want to avoid the
cheesiness. I also play slide guitar
on the Tele, and I doubled
the main guitar part with a
mandolin in the second and
third verse and at the beginning
of the guitar solo before it goes
into a doubled electric guitar
part that I play, technique-wise,
like slide and backwards—but
it’s not backwards [laughs]. I just
play as if I’m listening to a backward
guitar.

Thayil rocking out with his favorite Guild S-100 while being flanked by his Mesa/Boogie Electra Dyne and Tremoverb
amp setup during a performance at Red Rocks Amphitheatre in Morrison, Colorado, on July 18, 2011.
How did that idea come about?
The solo needed to go with the
Eastern vibe we play in the rest
of the song, so when I doubled
the guitar with that tuning it created
a bagpipe effect. I was blown
away because it’s a sound I love
from two of my favorite Velvet
Underground songs—“What
Goes On” and “Rock and Roll.”
I just kind of stumbled into it
with the tuning and mimicking
the background playing. We had
the mandolin soloing throughout
that whole section, but once we
got this cool, doubled-bagpipe
sound we decided to just have it
in the solo’s intro—it works like a
butterfly opening its wings going
from the single mandolin to the
two distorted guitars in that open
tuning playing off each other.