December 2009 \ Features \ The Growing Problem of Counterfeit Guitars

The Growing Problem of Counterfeit Guitars

Bob Cianci

Examining the culture of counterfeit


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Duff McKagan plays a Burny Les Paul model while performing with Loaded at the third annual Rock on the Range music festival in Colombus, OH, on May 16, 2009. Since they first appeared in the ‘70s, these replicas have been found in the hands of many high-profile players. In a recent interview with UltimateGuitar.com, McKagan praised the craftsmanship of two Burny guitars he acquired in Japan, saying, “It’s a Les Paul, but in Japan they can copy this stuff like exactly ... you can’t get them here because they’re illegal.” McKagan contends that his Burnys achieve his sound better than any other guitar. Photo by Wayne Dennon.
It all started with a few threads posted on guitar forums, including one on rickresource.com, an outstanding forum and the place to go for all things Rickenbacker. The thread dealt with knockoff Rickenbacker guitars going by the brand name of “Rockinbetter,” an obvious distortion of the Rickenbacker name. It also mentioned Rick’s president John Hall and his aggressive manner of going after those who steal or appropriate his designs and trademarks.

Then the conversation turned to Chinese counterfeit Gibson guitars, and how they were coming into this country and fooling astute guitarists, famous rock stars and guitar dealers who should know better. I learned that counterfeit guitars have regularly shown up on eBay, where people have been—and continue to be—scammed out of their hard-earned money, thinking they were buying a real Les Paul, Stratocaster, Paul Reed Smith, or other well-known instrument.

As I investigated the counterfeit guitar racket, I began to notice ads on North Jersey Craigslist for “Gibson copies made overseas, $500.” I decided to call the seller. Here’s how it went down, word for word, when I finally got him on the phone.

“Hello, is this S****? I’m from Premier Guitar magazine and I called a few days ago and left a message. I’m doing an article on counterfeit guitars and wondered if I could ask you a few questions.”
“I think it’s ridiculous!”
“What’s ridiculous?”
“That you’re doing an article on these guitars.”
“I take it you don’t want to be interviewed?”
“No!”

With that, S**** of Garwood, New Jersey, slammed the phone down. Touchy, wasn’t he? Perhaps it was because he knew full well that he was selling an illegally bootlegged instrument. At least S**** honestly referred to the instruments as Asian replicas. He had that going in his favor. According to Ric Olsen, Gibson’s Manager of Brand Protection, “We know all about that guy. We shut S**** down right after you spoke with him. We have people scouring the Internet all the time looking for guys like him.” Several days later, S**** re-posted an ad for a fake Les Paul, and again, Gibson managed to have it removed.

Where they come from In March 2007, a North Carolina man, Steve F. Sexton, was arrested and charged with two felony counts of criminal use of a counterfeit trademark, after selling fake Gibson guitars to unsuspecting victims, including a 15-yearold boy who had saved money to buy his first Les Paul. Sexton plead guilty to two counts, was sentenced to 45 days in jail, 18 months of unsupervised probation, was fined $250 and ordered to pay his victims $2,700 in restitution.

In an article from the U.S. Federal News Service, North Carolina Secretary of State Elaine F. Marshall remarked, “In this case involving Gibson guitars, one young musician even had his dream of owning what was to him the perfect guitar ruined by finding what he had bought was a fake.” In the Dec. 1, 2007 issue of Music Trades, it was reported that Bernard Musumeci, owner of Oakdale Music in Oakdale, N.Y., was arrested and charged by Suffolk County Police with second-degree trademark counterfeiting after he allegedly purchased $20,000 worth of bogus Gibsons from a dealer on eBay. Police confiscated 33 guitars from Musumeci’s home and store. Due to his obesity, Musumeci was arraigned outside the Suffolk County courthouse. The press and bloggers had a field day. Musumeci claimed he never knew the guitars were fakes.


Counterfeit Gibson guitars confiscated from Bernard Musumeci. Photo: Michael E. Ach/Newsday

Asian counterfeiting is a widespread and unquestionably illegal activity, and it’s not just guitars. Counterfeit Nike sneakers, Gucci handbags, name brand perfume, Rolex watches, all manner of designer clothing, DVDs, CDs and so much more, have permeated the European and American markets since the 1970s. The problem, however, has accelerated quickly since 1997. The largest producer of counterfeit goods is China, but South Korea is a close second, where so-called “super copies” are being made. Super copies are generally knockoffs of designer products whose quality is high enough to regularly fool employees of the companies they’re ripping off. It was just a matter of time before counterfeiters began bootlegging famous brand guitars. Lax government and customs rules and regulations allow counterfeiters to prosper overseas, leaving European, Japanese, and American companies little recourse in fighting the problem.

With all this in mind, and feeling bold enough to dive head first into the fray, I made contact with a Chinese distributor of counterfeit guitars, Bazaarguitar.com. They regularly sell knockoffs of Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, PRS and Ibanez guitars at very low prices. For instance, a fake Gibson VOS Custom Shop Les Paul TV Junior sells for $338, as does a VOS Les Paul ’59 Sunburst with flamed maple top in an Iced Tea sunburst. There are closeup photos of the Junior on Baazarguitar’s website, and having owned a vintage TV Junior years ago, the Chinese fake looked like a very convincing replica. I was sorely tempted to order one until I realized the photo was that of an actual Gibson VOS Junior. Playing the part of an interested consumer, I took advantage of their email help line and posed the following question: “If I buy one of your guitars and am dissatisfied with it, can I return it for another?”

Their response in broken but understandable English was, “You must decide first if you can afford guitar. You get good one first time. We hand pick best ones. If the guitar damaged by shipper, you can return only.” In other words, you cannot return it unless it’s broken by the shipping service. The individual who runs Bazarguitar.com posted a message to this effect on his home page: “I am a good person. You get no trouble from me. Best place to find your dreaming guitar at a cheap price. We sell Gibson, Fender, PRS, Ibanez and Gretsch guitars at cheapest prices.” There was more, but you get the drift. According to the law, he’s a criminal, a common counterfeiter. And they accept Paypal, by the way.

Another Chinese distributor/clearing house for all types of goods, including guitars, is TradeTang.com. They sell just about every sort of consumer product imaginable, including toys, cell phones, household items, computers, health and beauty products, video games, sporting goods, cameras, jewelry and watches, clothing, wedding items, and even motorcycle and auto parts. Are the products legitimate? Perhaps some of them are, but the guitars certainly aren’t.

A Bogus Boneyard
I decided to use the Gibson Joe Perry Boneyard Custom Shop Les Paul, a guitar I like, as a starting point. TradeTang listed many versions of this guitar from multiple sellers, starting at $187.28 and going up to $567.50 with free shipping and a hardshell case included. By the way, the prices seem to change on a fairly regular basis, but that’s most likely due to international currency fluctuation. Indeed, there were three full pages of Gibson and Epiphone Joe Perry Boneyard knockoffs, and many of them used the same photo repeatedly. I noticed names such as Guachao, Wanghongxia, Langping, Linglongshanghang, Full-Of-Romance, Jinshang58 and Eguitar58, as well as many others. These are online monikers for people selling counterfeit guitars. One can only imagine what you get for your money, but again, we have to assume that the more you spend, the better the guitar. Or can we? There’s no way of knowing. You order one; you take your chances.

Once again, I zeroed in on a Gibson LP Boneyard knockoff starting at $340.50 (there’s a discount if you order 10 or more), and emailed the distributor, one “hao-2010,” with the following query: “Do you have this guitar in stock? Is a hardshell case extra money? Can you ship it UPS or FedEx, and will you hand-pick a good one for me with a highly figured flame top? Please reply.”

Mr. “hao-2010” has this on his home page: “Welcome to my store. Worthy commodity, competitive price. Customer first. Your business with me will be a pleasant experience for you. I am dedicated to bring joy, safe and top-quality products for you. All the products I offer in my store come with fashion, style, superior quality but cheaper price all the time … First time, we do business, next time, we become friends.” Their come-on also states, “We use Japan technology. Our quality control team is responsible for all the guitar inspection from the selection of the wood to the guitar finish.” As of this writing, I have never gotten a response from hao-2010.

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Chimp
on 01/19/2012
I have seen a copy PRS and I own 4 real PRS's. I'm telling you now - not even close. While it might be a decent guitar a la Squire mexi strat epiphone. It is not a PRS. Runs in the finish, unfinished wood, unevenly routed cavities (not done on a CNC machine) neck pick up not working, burrs in the tremolo block. I'd bet the PRS trash/reject can has better made guitars in it.
American Citizen
on 01/13/2012
If you neighbor is poor and soiled and destitute, soon will you be, too. This is why "Buy American" truly matters. Practically the first thing George Washington did when elected was to erect trade tariffs to protect and grow American manufacturing. This entire scam called "Free Trade" or "Globalism" has been its - and our - undoing. Look into "Committee of 300" by Dr. John Coleman to really understand Why it has been so doggedly foisted, at great expense to the American Middle Class.
DCMSGuitaris t
on 01/11/2012
One aspect of these counterfeit guitars that no one has touched on yet is the odds that slave labor was involved in the manufacturing. Although Gibson and Fender can only dig but so deep into their supply chains, there are checks in place to battle slave labor in cultivating the raw materials. Being a Federal employee, I have to take regular training on the subject and its astonishing how widespread slave labor is on the black market, and yes, buying these guitars is considered "black market."
iacabucci
on 01/05/2012
my response is to jimi webb who says he defyas anyone to tell the difference in quality of a les paul chinese knock off,,just because you been playing for over 30 yrs mean you know ANYTHING about guitars and their quality. I assure you a real guitar player knows the damn difference and defy you to tell me anything :P~~~~ assclown
Furteremore It is a real travisty that this country has allowed laywers to protect out and out criminals from really paying their dues for this crap and its not only guitars they are copying, they do it with american money too. MacArthur was right we should have gone into china and wipped their asses whern we had the chance.
Jeff
on 10/30/2011
I guess if American guitar manufacturers want to put the Chinese to work instead of Americans, then they should expect this sort of thing to happen. I am not saying they get what they deserve, but just saying. The small shop owners made Fender, Gibson, Martin, Gretsch what they are today, yet won't sell to small shop owners. Completely shut out. Sorry if I don't shed a tear for the small mom and pops tempted to sell fake brands to stay afloat.
samaroonie22
on 09/01/2011
Unfortunately, it's really just supply and demand. The vintage guitar market is responsible for the huge dollar values that certain model American guitars command today and this has directly affected the prices of new guitars as well, the more coveted models are premium-priced by the manufacturers who know all to well how desirable they are in comparison to their other guitars. So, not only have the old guitars been priced out of range of nearly all players but the newer ones are nearly there as well. Players who wish to own one of these guitars (or a newer version for that matter) are forced to seek out a high-quality copy or go into debt to buy the real thing. Advances in guitar manufacturing technology have made it much easier for counterfeiters to duplicate these types of guitars right down to 'ageing' the instrument to make it appear vintage. Major manufacturers have tried to outdo the counterfeiters by offering 'reliced' versions of their more highly prized guitars. As long as this cycle continues, the demand will always outstrip the supply and the counterfeiters will be there to plug the gap.
Rick jenkins
on 08/19/2011
i bought a Ibanese guitar made in china from a well known guitar shop and paid around $900 for it. I then bought a fake Gretsch stamped made in USA. The fake is better made , more solid , has a beautiful feel and i only paid $365 delivered to my door. I have been playing guitar for 50plus years. I promise you the chinese have these fake down to a fine art.
NoMoralFiber
on 08/08/2011
WOW, I cannot believe how far down the rabbit hole America has gone. Hey Duff McKagan how about I steel all your MP3s from bit-torrents and Napster type things, then sneak into your concerts so you never see a dime from me - what no paycheck? I'm robbing from you? I say this, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Supporting these knockoffs is stealing from the companies and people that have put their money and effort into developing them. Are you so blind that you cannot see how this tears away at the moral fiber of us as human beings. How about I just come and take your car, I could use a nice car and would prefer not to pay for it. I have no problem with someone getting a good quality guitar for cheap, but when it says "Gibson" or looks like one, but isn't then you have stolen from the people that have the rights to that. "Sticking it to the man" - what the hell are you talking about, how about the fact that you are supporting something that has no human interest in where they get their materials or how they are making the children or slaves work for their gain, or the impact that they don't care about on the environment? You are quite simply "Sticking it to humanity" not the man - you idiots. Make the same guitar, but change it slightly (Make the horn a different shape?) and take the word Gibson off - would you still buy it? I didn't think so - if you say you would I don't believe you. You already admitted that you cannot be trusted to make good decisions. Our moral fiber is gone and we will fail as a species because of it.
Jimi Webb
on 07/30/2011
The article is full of inaccuracies.The Companies can not hacs your fake guitars seized or have you charged with anything if not claiming it is the real deal.The guitar culture keeps accepting this drivel from Gibson, Fender,etc. they are trying to stop fakes through intimidation. there are more fakes than ever comong out of China.

The reality is that the fakers in China are not stupid but highly sophisticated. Today they are making almost perfect fakes and selling them for about a tenth of the value (such as a Les Paul Custom). I saw one that was delivered to the door for $229 and I defy anyone to play it and tell the difference in quality from the real thing (and I've played guitar for over 30 years)
MartinC
on 07/02/2011
For all of you who knock quality guitar manufacturers for the price, then go have a luther custom make one for you to your spec, ah but your ego wants the brand name but doesn;'t want to pay the brand price...... nothing wrong with the chinese making guitars it's not right to hijack the trading name. It would be the same as someone stealing your personal details and using your name. How would you like that then. You pay for all of the legends that have created music that promoted the Gibsons, Fender, PRS's of this world. When you see a guitar hero coming out with a chinese replica, then you go for it!



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