"The Suckerpunch15 MkII is powered by a single KT88 and features a 3-band EQ, master, drive, and sustain knobs, as well as more/less gain and mid boost/standard voicing toggles and a switchable parallel effects loop. cecamps.com"
Frontwoman Jessica Dobson plunges into the depths of her Benson-powered road rig.
Seattle indie rockers Deep Sea Diver released their fourth full-length record, BillboardHeart, earlier this year via Sub Pop, and their supporting cross-country tour took them to downtown Nashville’s Blue Room at Jack White’s Third Man Records.
PG’s Chris Kies connected with singer and guitarist Jessica Dobson in 2020 for a virtual Rig Rundown, but this time we get a close-up, in-person look at Dobson’s tour kit, including her signature Benson stomp box and a custom guitar.
Dobson picked up this slick Bilt S.S. Zaftig to replace her beloved but terribly heavy Fender Starcaster. This one has Lollar Regal Wide-Range humbuckers in it.
Regrets, I’ve Had a Few
Dobson purchased this used Fender Elvis Costello Jazzmaster in 2010, and has since met the person who sold it—and totally regrets it. It’s strung with D’Addario .011–.052s, and tuned to E standard.
Blue Benz
U.K.-based builder Elliott Trent modeled this custom Trent guitar for Dobson on her mother’s old blue Mercedes, and loaded it with P-90s.
Benson Boom Box
Dobson’s amp of choice, taped to perfection, is this 30-watt Benson Chimera 2x12 combo.
Jessica Dobson’s Pedalboard
Dobson runs a busy board powered by a Voodoo Labs Pedal Power 2 Plus and operated via a Boss ES-8. There’s also her signature Benson Deep Sea Diver, plus a Benson Germanium Preamp, JHS Pulp N Peel, Sarno Music Solutions Earth Drive, Benson Germanium Boost, EHX Deluxe Memory Man, Strymon blueSky, EHX POG2, Chase Bliss Brothers Analog Gainstage, and Menatone Pleasure Trem 5000, plus a TC Electronic PolyTune 2 Noir.
Looking for versatility without cranking a stadium-level rig?
In this video, PG contributor Tom Butwin puts three sub‑50-watt amplifiers to the test: the British‑voiced Suhr SL15, the mid‑’60s American‑style PRS Sonzera 20, and the gig‑ready solid‑state Blackstar Debut 50R. Tom explores the tones, features, and ideal use cases of all three amps—highlighting who they're best suited for and how they perform in different setups. Which one fits your playing style and needs?
Tuning up for their own tour that starts this week, the loud ’n’ heavy merchants from Buffalo show PG’s Perry Bean how they apply the hot sauce.
In Better Lovers, guitarists Jordan Buckley and Will Putney, plus bassist Stephen Micciche, go heavy and strange—a combination they achieve by carefully selecting their instruments, amps, and effects. Their latest album is called Highly Irresponsible, but when it comes to nailing their riffs and sounds, this Rundown with PG’s Perry Bean, filmed recently at Nashville’s Brooklyn Bowl, makes it clear they are anything but that!
One-Eyed 6 Strings
Putney’s main guitar is a road-worn Dunable Cyclops, built especially for him by Sacha Dunable. It became the blueprint for his Dunable signature model. “The signatures are awesome, but I love this guitar. I play it to death,” he says. It‘s got an EMG 81 pickup and a master volume dial. That’s it. Putney has a backup that’s nearly identical, except for the stage rash.
Practice Makes….
Putney is using this DE version of his signature to practice new songs and the new sounds that come along with them, including those made via the onboard EHX Pitchfork circuit, with power/signal bypass, momentary on/off latching, pitch up/down/both selection, an interval selector, and a mix knob. The scale is 25.5" and it sports a Graphtech TUSQ nut along with an EMG 81. Most Better Lovers tunes are in drop D, by the way, with Ernie Ball strings.
Power Rager
This Peavey 6505 V2 arrived just in time for this night's gig, sliding in next to the two 5150s that have been in Putney’s live rig for years. It’s got 120 watts and invokes the spirit of one of Eddie Van Halen’s favorite heads. It’s got 6L6s, but he’s contemplating a swap with EL84s after the tour, just for an A/B test.
Cab Envy
How about a pair of Atlas custom 6x12 cabinets to plug your guitar and pedals into? “They’re loud,” Putney understates. And he A/Bs between that Peavey/Atlas combination and a Vox AC30 for his clean and dirty sounds. He uses a Mastermind PBC by RJM Music Technologies for switching both amps and pedals.
Set It, Don’t Sweat It
Here’s a look at where Putney’s AC30 lives.
Pedal Power
Running through that Mastermind are a fuzz pedal Putney designed with God City’s/Converge’s Kurt Ballou called the Pariah, and there’s also a Sinkhole, Astral Destiny, and Soft Focus Reverb from Catalinbread, an EQD Dispatch Master, two EHX Pitchforks, a Fortin Zuul+, a Strymon El Capistan, a Better Lovers signature Night Terror overdrive, and a Kevin Hickey Signature Chorus.
Blue Bomber
Buckley got this ’78 SG from Rochester, New York’s House of Guitars when he was a kid. It’s been through a lot of breaks but has come through triumphant, with double EMG 81s. And the Vox AC30 it’s leaning on is his, too. Listen to how it sounds with a whole lotta reverb and a slide in the Rundown! That’s his sound for the concert opener on the current tour.
Don’t Even Look at This Guitar
Here’s Buckley’s favorite ESP Eclipse, also with EMGs and lot of wear on the rear upper bout an around the picking zone. It’s got an ESP “full-thickness” body, so it’s heavier than his beloved SG.
More Dunable
This Cyclops has got its original two Dunable pickups and a tone and volume control—another stripped-down heavy-rock machine! How did Buckley acquire this one? He wanted a red guitar for a video, and Dunable, after an ask from Putney, delivered.
Effect-ive
What’s he got on the floor? A Lehle Little Dual II amp switcher, a TC Electronic Polytune, a Boss NS-2 Noise Suppressor, an EarthQuaker A/B box and Dispatch Master, an MXR Analog Chorus, a Walrus Audio Fathom Multi-Function Reverb, a Better Lovers signature Night Terror overdrive, and a Coppersound X Jack White Triplegraph Octave.
Marshall Power
Buckley says he’s been using JCM 800s for decades. This one is borrowed and “feeds back a little less than the ones I own,” he confides.
Preacher Tone
And here’s his Revv Generator 120, which he sets on channel 4.
Foam-O
Micciche’s seafoam green Deluxe PJ is a not-so-common bottom rung. It has a P body and a J neck. It boasts a pair of Seymour Duncan Quarter Pounder bass pickups.
The Ass Beater
That’s right: Micciche calls this one the Ass Beater. It’s an Ibanez with active Bartolini pickups. Strictly speaking, it’s an Iron Label SRMS625EX with a 5-piece, multi-scale walnut neck and Ebonol fretboard.
California Dreamin’
This Sandberg California model was a custom order, with active and passive pickup options.
Bass Barkers
Here’s the array of Micciche’s powerhouse bass amp line-up: an Orange AD 200 Bass Mk3 he’s had about 15 years anchors his stage left, stage right hosts an Orange Terror Bass, the AD 200 goes through an Orange cab while the Terror hits an Aguilar 8x10. Both rigs fire at once, all the time.
Dirty Half-Dozen
A modest six boxes rest on Micciche’s board: an Orange Two-Stroke, a Darkglass Microtubes B7K Ultra, an MXR Studio Compressor, a Lehle Little Dual switcher, a TC Electronic Polytune, and his wireless. A Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 4 stokes the fires.
Are you looking for a flexible amp modeler for the stage, studio, or home? In this in-depth demo, PG contributor Tom Butwin takes you through gigging, practicing, and recording with two compelling options: the touchscreen-powered Hotone Ampero II and the tactile, amp-style Blackstar AMPED 3.
Eli Lester couldn’t bear to see Two-Rock disappear, so he, alongside Mac Skinner, bought the company. He tells us how they resuscitated the brand and turned it into one of the hottest names in boutique amplification.
Two-Rock Amplifiers emerged into tube-amp consciousness like very few brands in past decades. Not only are their amps regularly tagged “best” by countless players and influencers, but even those decrying the lofty price tags admit their impossibly clear tones and soulful dynamics. That’s how Two-Rock co-owner and CEO Eli Lester wants it. Preferring to let others do the talking, he stays focused on the brand’s mission with an intense tonal obsession, resilience, and refusal to compromise.
Eli Lester and friends
Two-Rock’s journey hasn’t been without turbulence, however. Co-founder, Bill Krinard and his partner had sold the brand to Premier Builders Guild in 2010, and by 2016 it was teetering on collapse. That’s when Lester, already a long-time Two-Rock devotee, alongside his partner Mac Skinner, took a leap of faith to rebuild it from the ground up.
“I was probably the biggest Two-Rock fan in the world,” he explains. “I was doing some R&D stuff with them back in the day, and it was my favorite amp company. I don’t have an answer for why I wanted to buy it. I just couldn't let it die.”
Two-Rock in hand, Lester’s vision was clear: Build the best tube amps possible and let the cards fall where they may. However, it wasn’t a total shot in the dark, as Lester had spent his life surrounded by amplifiers and playing with some of guitar’s genuine icons. The man knows guitar tone.
“It's all I’ve ever done,” he says, matter of factly. “I did guitar and amp repair in the back of shops since about 18. And I was buying old Bassmans when they were 300 bucks and modifying them. I was also a full-time player, blessed to tour with Robben Ford, play with B.B. King, a bunch of players.”
“We’re definitely inspired by his amps, and I’m honored that people put us in that same camp, but we don’t make Dumble clones.”
Nearly a decade after purchasing the company, Lester’s commitment is as potent as ever. From his California workshop, surrounded by a literal wall of vintage amps (including Danny Gatton’s personal 1963 Vibroverb), he balances the roles of CEO, designer, and player. Alongside Skinner and Two-Rock, he's steering the brand into the future with the same vision that he started with.
Now at the helm of one of the most in-demand amp companies, Lester’s reluctance to chase the spotlight is still obvious. But, generous with his time, he shared the story of Two-Rock’s rebirth, its place in the tube-amp world, and where he hopes to take it next.
Desperate to keep the brand afloat, Lester and co-owner Mac Skinner (right) bought Two-Rock together in 2016 and began rebuilding the company.
What was it like buying a struggling amp brand? Were you confident you could turn Two-Rock around?
Well, Mac knew how to run the company because he’d been running operations since 2004, and we knew how to build amps and I was the player. But it was kind of, “I hope we don't lose too much money here.” [Laughs]
We literally started all over. We threw away chassis, transformers, and all the old inventory. We said, “We don’t even want to make any of these models,” and started from ground zero.
Why buy a company when you want to throw most of it away?
It was my favorite amp company. I was so emotional about it, so connected to it, and still believed they were the best amps I’d ever played. And Mac and I were both really aligned and wanted to see if we could revive it. It was just something I was really passionate about keeping alive.
You’ve found a lot of success since then. Are you still able to stay hands-on with everything?
It’s still a pretty small company. We have about 25 employees between the amp factory and the cabinet shop. I’m the CEO so I do amp design, voice every amp, and work with artist amps. I also do the sales and marketing. Mac is the COO and runs operations, part procurement, what’s being used, what models we’re making, how they’re being built, and deals with my OCD.
We also brought back Bill Krinard, the original designer and founder, to help with design work. It’s a collaborative group, going back and forth, bouncing ideas off each other.
The Two-Rock Silver Sterling Signature: a fine example of Lester’s careful, uncompromising aesthetic vision for his amplifiers.
Two-Rock is often compared to Dumble. Do you think that’s an accurate comparison?
We’re definitely inspired by his amps, and I’m honored that people put us in that same camp, but we don’t make Dumble clones. I get asked to do it quite often, and I don’t, out of respect. Drew [Berlin] and Matt [Swanson] [co-owners of Dumble] are friends of mine. I got to know Alexander via email before he passed away and was invited to the funeral. He’s one of my biggest inspirations in the world, one of my heroes.
Sonically and circuit-wise, we have models that are obviously inspired by them, especially aesthetically. But we’ve been able to carve our own voice. I’m equally inspired by Leo Fender and kind of morph the two things together to make our amps.
Leo Fender’s influence is apparent, especially with the Vintage Deluxe. What is it about vintage American amplifiers that attracts you?
Besides the fact that all my favorite players have played most of those amps, if I have a black-panel Fender and I take it to a gig, plug it in, put everything on noon, I’m good to go. Plus, those amps have a bit of artifacts and schmutz in the sound. They’re not too sterile, clean, or hi-fi sounding. They have some character to them.
That’s what I was trying to capture with the Vintage Deluxe. You take an amp, plug it in, turn everything to noon, and it sounds and feels great.
In my opinion, a lot of the Dumble clones or Dumble-inspired amps are sometimes too sterile. They don’t have enough character. So, I pull some of that from the Fender side.
In early 2024, Two-Rock announced they had acquired amp company Divided by 13. Their amplifiers, like this AMW 39, are now built in Lester’s northern California workshop.
A lot of your amps follow a long Two-Rock lineage. Would you ever branch into something like a plexi-style or high-gain design?
I love playing, and I have a JTM45 and a ’63 Bluesbreaker behind me. I still love playing those amps, but trying to have a cohesive product line where everything fits together is definitely a main goal of ours.
That’s a good transition with our Divided by 13 acquisition. A lot of the reason for buying it was, every time we’ve tried to do an EL84, EL34, or Marshall-inspired amp, people go, “That’s not what Two-Rock does. They're trying to be something they're not.” That was always a problem.
Fred [Taccone, founder of Divided by 13] became a friend of mine. When he mentioned he wanted to get out of the business, I thought, “This gives me the outlet to do those kinds of amps without cannibalizing and diluting the Two-Rock thing.” It’s its own thing, and Two-Rock is its own thing, too. They don’t compete with each other at all.
You brought Divided by 13 in-house with Two-Rock, and the same team builds both amps. Why not use the opportunity to grow and gain market share?
Mac and I are both very aligned that we want to keep Two-Rock a small company. Large retailers wanted to carry Two-Rock for many years, but I just don’t think it fits with what we do. It’s a great financial move, and they’re great, but I still want to be able to touch every amp and make sure it’s built exactly the way it should be. I don’t ever want to lose that quality. With other companies, we’ve seen what happens when people try to blow it up too big.
A shot from Lester’s humble workbench. He could expand Two-Rock and Divided by 13, but he’d rather stay small and hands-on with each and every amp they build.
Two-Rock Amps definitely do things your own way. They’re all-tube, many of them are 100 watts, and they use a cascading gain-stage design that can take a while to get used to. But it all works somehow.
I’m a clean-headroom guy. My goal is to make the biggest, most three-dimensional, clean amplifier you can. Back in 2016, the small amp thing was really popular, but we started building 100-watt amps because that’s what I love to play. Everyone thought Mac and I were absolutely crazy.
But we use that wattage for bandwidth, not sheer volume. You can use [our amps] at bedroom volumes. I put a lot of work, as well as my team, into it. We have a very usable master volume and a proprietary transformer. That’s why you see people playing our 100-watt Classic Reverb Signatures and Bloomfield Drives in small venues.
And our amps do have a lot of tone options, but the controls are laid out the way you use them. We’re not doing a bunch of crazy switching. It makes sense, at least in my brain.
Two-Rock players like John Mayer, Matt Schofield, Joey Landreth, and Ariel Posen are all known for their soulful playing and beautiful tones. Eric Johnson is even playing your amps. Why do you think they all gravitate toward Two-Rock?
You get out of an amp what you put into it, that extra little five percent to 10 percent. Eric, Joey, Ariel, Josh [Smith], Doyle Bramhall [II], and Ben Harper are all looking for that extra five percent to 10 percent. We can tweak the amp and get it to where they want it, but they pull that stuff out of them.
We’re blessed to have the artist roster we have, and it’s 100 percent organic. We don’t do artist endorsements. All our artists pay for the amps. It’s just because they love them. We’re so blessed to have that; I can’t even tell you.
YouTube
Watch Rhett Schull’s now-infamous video on why his Classic Reverb Signature changed his mind on Two-Rock amps.
You don’t have a paid artist roster, and you don’t put out a ton of video content. On top of that, a lot of people claim tube amps are dead. Still, you’re one of the most talked about brands in the industry. How did you make that happen?
It was extremely organic. There was no marketing plan. I was flying all over the country with the Classic Reverb Signature, going to dealers and artists, saying, “This is what the new amps are going to sound like.” It’s a crazy business model that I wouldn’t recommend to anyone, but it forced us to build the best amp we could.
And I think the fact that I’m a player first helped. I’m still obsessed. As the market has gone away from vacuum tubes, I’ve gone backward. My rebuttal is, “We’re just going to make them even more badass! We’re going to make them more high-end and tweak the components even more!” I think a lot of the players we have gravitate towards that.
Guitarist/YouTube influencer Rhett Schull recently released a video on the Classic Reverb titled, “The Best Guitar Amp I’ve Ever Owned.” That’s a bold statement, especially from someone who makes a living in the industry. What’s it like when players drop words like “best” to describe your work?
It’s funny, but Rhett was a Two-Rock critic for a long time because he never played them. He was saying, “These are overpriced. I played these other ones, and they’re just as good.” Then he got a chance, tried one, and said, “Okay, I get it. This isn’t like anything else. This is a different thing.” We’re so blessed to have guys like that who are brand ambassadors that carry the torch for us.
But I don’t ever sit here and say our stuff is the best. Actually, guys go, “I have a black-panel Deluxe Reverb and a plexi. What [Two-Rock] should I get?” I’m always saying, “Dude, you’re good. What else do you need?!” I’m the worst self-promoter in the world. [laughs]
You guys have defied the odds so far, but where do you see the tube-amp market going in the future? Will people still be playing Two-Rocks?
I wake up in cold sweats about it every single night. Just getting tubes is hard, and for a long time, people wanted quantity over quality. Now, at least for my generation, it’s like, “No, I just want one or two really nice amps that sound good, play good, and feel good.” So there's a nostalgia and a vibe with it that I don’t see going anywhere. There’s too much love for it.
With that in mind, where do you want to take Two-Rock in the next 10 years?
Sustainability is a big thing. This is a very cyclical business. I’ve been in it my whole life. I’ve seen things go up, seen things go down. People, amps, and guitars are trendy and cool, but then they fall off. You try to reach too far, and then it doesn’t work anymore. So I think it’s just staying steady, keeping course, and sustaining what we have. We just want to build really good guitar amplifiers, work with cool artists, and keep going.
It seems to be working. Everybody is talking about Two-Rock right now.
Thank you. I’m very uncomfortable with praise like that. That’s not my thing. I just like to build and play amps.
