Vince Gill: Song Slinger

Cruise down lower Broadway in Nashville on a Saturday night, and chances are you’ll run into a guitar picker with jaw-dropping technique and tone for days. It doesn’t take long to learn this is a musician’s town, and in order to make a dent, you need to have your musical ducks in a row. Over the last 30 years, Vince Gill has not only survived in Music City, he has carried the torch of the old-school country crooner who can break your heart with a ballad one minute and then rip into a blistering solo the next.

In 2006, Gill released the most ambitious– and expansive–album of his career. These Days is a 43-song, four-disc opus that allowed him to explore everything from hardcore country to gospel and blues. When it came time to write music for his latest effort, Guitar Slinger, Gill knew that, in the end, he was at the mercy of the songs. “I was thrilled that the first song that I wrote after that project was ‘The Old Lucky Diamond Motel.’ It’s a real neat story song, kind of Americana,” remembers Gill. “I finished it and then looked back at the last record and said, ‘Wow, that’s a relief. It’s nothing like anything on the last record.’ It gave me a really good jumping off point and I think, more than anything, that I am so much more interested in the songs these days and what they are and what they’re about than anything else.”

Even though the album title brings to mind finger-busting licks, Gill demonstrates the restraint and well-developed sense of taste that he’s known for. “The songs lead me to play more guitar, or be more country, or rock harder,” states Gill. We catch up with Gill to discuss vintage guitars, balancing the roles of a songwriter and guitarist, working with your heroes, and if he would ever work with a band again.

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Did the title for the album come about while you were writing the material, or did you already have it in mind?
The idea for the album title came from my manager, Larry Fitzgerald, who I’ve been working with for 28 years. As he listened to the record he said, “There is something different about your playing. It just sounds completely free on this record. Generally, you would drift towards a solo in the middle and that would be about it. These songs have like two-minute jams on the end. You are really blowing it up, so I think you should call this record Guitar Slinger.” At first, that song wasn’t going to be on the record. I said, “Well, if we don’t put that song on the record, that doesn’t make a lot of sense.” I like that it had a sense of humor in it. It’s poking fun of Amy [Grant], and poking fun at me losing all that stuff in the flood last year. I like the sense of humor in that song. poking fun of Amy [Grant], and poking fun at me losing all that stuff in the flood last year. I like the sense of humor in that song.

You really let loose on some of these tracks.
I guess it’s more guitar than usual for about half of the record. The other half is mainly country and story songs. Still, I had a blast playing a little more than usual.

“Threaten Me With Heaven” has one of the most powerful solos on the album.
I felt like the power of that song needed that kind of angst in it. Not a choir-like thing, but with those background singers it sounds like arena rock to me. I’m always trying to play what’s appropriate for the song and the arrangement, so that’s the reason, to me, that it has that non-stop kind of blitzing mentality at the end. I made this record with Justin Niebank, who is a great musician, and he said, “There is this one time where you hit this two-note thing and the bottom note almost harmonically does something. It is so emotional.” To me, that’s what playing is all about. It could be a subtle solo on something like “Who Wouldn’t Fall in Love With You”—the greatness in playing is in the subtle things that really have emotion. You can play every lick in the world, but if there is nothing in it that has emotion, it’s not going to move anybody.

What guitar did you use on that?
Oh gosh, I want to say it was a Les Paul. Mike McGuire over at Gibson has made me a few reissues of those classic Bursts. I can’t pull the trigger on buying a real one, as much as I want one. There’s just no better sound in the world than those PAF pickups from ’59-’60. I probably played a ’59 tweed Fender Bassman. It’s a pretty good go-to amp. I never write any of this stuff down, I just go in and try stuff out. I did get to play Duane Allman’s ’57 goldtop a few months ago and it was one of the highlights of my life. The sound of it was unlike any Les Paul I had ever heard and a lot of it has to do with those pickups. The history of that guitar and everything was pretty magical.

I know you lost quite a bit of gear in the flood. Were there any guitars that you thought were lost that came back to life?
There were a few things. I had a ’54 Strat that I thought was a goner. It came back to life with a little bit of finish damage. I have a Gibson Johnny Smith that I think is gonna live [laughs]. He is still in pieces, but I have a feeling that it will turn back up. I messed it up once before by forgetting it was in the car and the neck bowed like a bow and arrow. My friend Joe Glaser saved it before, so I think it will be fine. I lost a ton of stuff but the hard part was losing some stuff that had been on certain solos or intros over the years. I got killed on the cases. I lost 60 of them and a lot of them were vintage cases for Martin guitars from the ’20s and ’30s. The insurance adjuster was shocked that a case could be worth four or five thousand dollars. It was painful. I lost a lot of stuff that was very unnecessary. It could have been a lot worse. It could have been a lot better. It was what it was. I have been having a pretty good time replenishing and finding cool stuff. That is the one thing that I am just completely nuts about is finding great guitars.

When you are out on the road do you search out cool gear?
Sure. I occasionally search them out. A lot of times guitars will find me. People know I like old ones and I have had a few show up that were great, old guitars that might have belonged to their mom or dad or grandfather. One thing that I am proud of is that I am a collector, not so much a buyer and seller. I have never gotten rid of any guitars, so I’m not the type of collector that takes them and puts them under the bed and never plays them again. I buy these guitars and take them on the road, find a way to put them on records or take them out to the Opry and play them. I think guitars are meant to be played, even though some of them are six-figure instruments. I just strap them on and go play them.

I once heard that you should be weary of vintage instruments that are in pristine condition because that meant they weren’t good enough for someone to really play.
It’s true. I mean just the value of collectable instruments is more based on its condition rather than how good it sounds. I never got an instrument that didn’t feel good in my hands. A couple years ago I played a ’59 ES-335 and the neck profile was just a hair big for me. I know ’59 is the most soughtafter year, but my hands are not big enough to where that neck profile feels comfortable for me. This guitar was unbelievable. I knew how good it would sound because of the way it sounded acoustically. I can tell a lot about an electric guitar because of that. I told the guy as much as I want this and knowing how savage it would sound, I don’t think I would play it just because it didn’t fit in my hands quite right. All the stuff I have picked up is pretty great. I am not interested in collecting a mass of stuff that doesn’t speak to me.

It sounds like you are really focused on the connection between a specific guitar and amp to get your tone. Do you use many effects?
Occasionally. In the studio I want to get the amp to do the right thing just plugged straight in. After the fact, you can add delay or whatever you want on it. I use some pedals, not a lot. It’s usually something to give it a little more gas. I really like this pedal made by Hermida Audio called a Zendrive, which I think is really great. I have another pedal that is really just a boost [Creation Audio Labs MK.4.23]. It kicks it just a hair and doesn’t alter the tone drastically and adds just a little sparkle. In the studio, it’s really all about getting the amp and the guitar to do just the right thing.

Where did you record this album?
At my house. I put a studio in my house and it has been the most life-changing thing I think I have ever done. The atmosphere here is relaxed and it’s a peaceful feeling here in this house. There are windows all around the studio and you look out and see blue skies and trees. It’s gorgeous here. The guys really enjoy the vibe here and it really made for a creative stretch.

How do you balance being a songwriter, a singer, a guitarist, and in some cases, a producer?
I think you have to be wise enough to edit yourself and play what fits.

Do you find that difficult?
No, I think it’s a fun challenge. If you work on something and say to yourself, “I just played 11 notes in this four-bar phrase. Would eight be better?” You just massage it and milk it and find a way to make it speak the most. That’s the thing that happens to you later in your musical life. You learn more what not to play and that the real greatness is in the nuances of subtleties. I think in the writing process I know certain songs are written to be a vehicle to play the guitar. Others will have a great groove that will lend to some playing. Some songs won’t. A lot of songs don’t need a big ripping solo, or really much of anything. It’s all about serving the song and deciding what is the right thing to do.

You really show off your blues side on “When the Lady Sings the Blues.” How did that song come together?
When I was young, Diana Ross made that movie, When the Lady Sings the Blues, about Billie Holiday. I gotta tell ya, I probably saw that movie 100 times. We had a little theater about a block from my house and I would go over there and pay and see the movie and then hide behind the curtain or run to the restroom and hang out to see it again. I was just completely overwhelmed by that music and had never heard of Billie Holiday until that movie. I didn’t know who this woman was, but the music was unbelievable, so I just had to find out what it was all about. It sent me on a pretty neat path towards that slant of music. As we were writing that song I thought, “Wait a minute, we could massage this a little bit and it could be a really neat hard times song.” When you are struggling with hard times, nothing is better than listening to Billie Holiday. A singer like that is the epitome of that style. She had some kind of thing in her voice that was melancholy, blue, and just completely mesmerizing. I thought it was a neat idea to do a more modern blues, Steely Dan-ish song. Lyrically, it makes you think of the depression, with the soup lines and people struggling. That is one tune that warranted a lot of playing at the end. It was so much fun to just cut loose and play the blues. Hopefully it didn’t get stale. I just loved where it went and how the track massaged itself around it and halfway through it lifted and went to the next place. It’s a really neat record of a bunch of guys listening to each other and making it go somewhere.

Sounds like you used a Strat on that solo?
Yeah, that was a ’59 Strat. Recently, I bought another Strat that used to belong to Duane Eddy. He bought it brand new when he lived out in Fullerton [California]. He never really played it and then gave it to his son. His son tracked me down in the process of wanting to sell it and I thought it had a pretty good history. Duane is a pretty good friend of mine and I am a huge fan of his. I said, “I’ll give that guitar a musical home.” That has been my go-to Strat for the last little bit of time. I can’t remember if I played it or a ’60 slab-board Strat. Those are two of my favorite Strats.

Do you bring the vintage gear out on the road?
Yeah, I take the great ones out there. [For a detailed look at Vince’s road gear, go to p. 130] They need to be played. What else you going to do? I feel like with all those guitars, since I’m not going to sell them it doesn’t matter as much if I bang them up a little bit. If you are all worried about the value of it, I don’t know if you should have it in the first place. For a player, it’s what you want to do. They sound great and they feel great, why wouldn’t you want to play them?

You use many of the members of your live band on records. One of the mainstays in your group has been keyboardist John Hobbs. When did you two start to work together?
John and I go back to the mid-’70s when I moved to California. I was a 19-year-old kid and he played on one of the first records I played on out there. We were with Byron Berline, a guy I used to work for when I moved. We were friends and John also played on the first record I did in ’83 as a solo artist. Eventually, he made his way here to Nashville and I talked him into going on the road a few years ago.

Tell me about who else is on the album.
Pete Wasner is another keyboard player that always plays on my albums. We also write songs together and he has been playing with me for 30-plus years as well. Some of the relationships I have with these guys are really deep. Richard Bennett is a great guitar player who I always lean on. He maybe is one of the best supporting guitar players that I have ever known. He’s an odd duck in that he never really wants to play leads too often, but rather playing parts and rhythm guitars. He is just so great at coming up with really great stuff that really makes the records special. His parts are always a huge contribution to the records. David Hungate, who is a great bass player, has been playing in my band the last few years. He used to be in Toto and played on a million records over the years. It’s worth it to me to go the extra mile and pay those guys what their worth and what they deserve. It’s a great experience to play music every night with really gifted musicians. Life’s too short.

You recently did some work with Sting. How was that?
Oh boy. It was more than amazing. It was a life highlight. They have a show on CMT called Crossroads and I picked four of his songs and he picked four of mine. We sang them together and it was just a great experience. It was fun to find out how compatible and similar we were. Our voices and our range are similar. He is a no-nonsense guy and I am a goofball. That may be the only difference, but we are both really serious about music and making sure it’s great. Great stretch of a couple days working with him. [In a British accent] I got to be a rocker.

It’s well known that you were offered a gig in Dire Straits and turned it down. At this point in your career do you ever see yourself playing in a band again?
Yeah, I do. I think that at this point in life I’m not exactly having No. 1 record after No. 1 record and I have my feet well entrenched in country music but not to the level I did 15 or 20 years ago, or even 10. I would definitely entertain the thought. Sting and I talked about going on the road together as the Self-Righteous Brothers [laughs]. I would like to do something like what the Traveling Wilburys did. Find four or five people from different places and do something like that. If Clapton called and asked me to be his other guitar player on tour, I would say yeah. Maybe 20 years ago it really wouldn’t work. It didn’t make sense for me to do that with Mark [Knopfler]. The musician in me would have done it in a heartbeat. The place that I was in I just felt that it was the wrong thing to do, for me.

Alright, i am going to put you on the spot. Who would be the other three artists you would like to tour with?
Oh gosh. I would go out with Sting, Michael McDonald, Sheryl Crow, maybe Sonny Landreth. I could name you 20. Eric and Mark, of course. I just think that life is so short, and at 54 you really start to see your mortality and realize you have less time left than you have lived. So I would be open for just about anything and really always have been. I think my career bears that out. Most hillbilly singers wouldn’t be thought of as a duet partner with Gladys Knight, Barbra Streisand, or Tim Finn. I feel lucky I don’t have a place that I have to land in all the time.