Just like their records, the Australian rockers’ road gear is eclectic and adventurous, ready to cover ground from metal to microtonal Turkish psychedelia.
You could throw a dart at a board of all the world’s music genres, and chances are fair that you’d hit a sound that Melbourne band King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard have explored. King Gizz started life as a bluesy garage-rock outfit, but over the past 14 years, they’ve leapt into metal, jazz, folk, electronic, and even microtonal music. They’ve spread their adventures over 26 LPs—five of them released in 2022 alone.
On tour this summer in support of their latest, Flight b741, the band stopped at Nashville’s Ascend Amphitheater, where Premier Guitar’s Chris Kies caught up with guitarists Joey Walker and Stu Mackenzie for a look at how they navigate the Gizzverse onstage. Here’s a preview of some of the goods, but tune into the full Rundown to catch all the details—including Mackenzie’s famed Flying Microtonal Banana, the namesake of their 2017 album.
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Walker’s Godin Richmond Dorchester has been subjected to a few changes. When King Gizzard entered their “microtonal phase,” influenced by Mackenzie’s travels to Turkey, the guitar was modified by a luthier friend with a fret arrangement (identical to Mackenzie’s Flying Banana) that permits microtonal intervals, like a Turkish bağlama. Walker explains that it’s like adding extra frets between the traditional 12 notes, so there are quarter-tone intervals rather than just semitone steps. It took some learning to figure out how to play, but at this point it feels like muscle memory for Walker.
The Jammer
This H-S-S Novo Idris does the heavy lifting for Joey Walker playing deep into King Gizzard's expansive, extended sets.
Samurai Sword
Mackenzie admits that he’s not picky with his guitars: He likes unpredictable gear, and he’s prone to impulse-buying weirdo axes. He picked up this Yamaha SG-2 in 2013, and it sounds like no other guitar he’s played. The weird, noisy pickups cause interesting microphonic glitches, and while it’s a bit of a pain to keep in proper playing order, Mackenzie knows his way around the guitar and trusts it. The SG-2 is strung with .011s and handles standard-tuning numbers.
Stu Mackenzie's Pedalboard and Amp
While Mackenzie’s guitar selections are rather offbeat, his pedalboard and amp setup are fairly straight-laced; in fact, 70 percent of the set is played with no effects on at all. His signal runs first into a Boss TU-3 tuner and DD-3T delay, then to a Devi Ever Aenima, a Jam Pedals Boomster, a Fender Tread-Light Wah, and a Dunlop Volume (X) Mini. His vocals run into a custom multi-effect pedal by EarthQuaker Devices, which features both overdrive and a gated echo, preventing ambient noise from triggering the effect. A VVco Pedals Time Box helps Mackenzie keep the set from running over.
From the board, his signal runs to a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, an amp he can pick up virtually anywhere in the world. He runs it fairly clean, but adjusts it between every song for varied gain-staging. A Mesa Boogie PowerHouse Attenuator keeps the stage volume in check.
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Joey Walker's Pedalboard
The guitarist's stomp station is surprisingly sparse for the melody and mite that swirls in a King Gizz performance. He has five key signal sizzlers: an Electro-Harmonix Flat Iron (fuzz), Wampler Faux Analog Echo (delay), Strymon Sunset (overdrive), Dunlop Cry Baby (wah), and Wampler Mini Ego (compressor). He uses a Death By Audio Echo Master for his vocals, a Boss LS-2 Line Selector & Radial Engineering HotShot to handle amp & mic switches, and the Boss TU-3 Chromatic Tuner keeps his instruments in check.
On the eclectic instrumental band’s newest, A LA SALA, the bassist pledges to “just play what sounds good and what feels good.”
“Bass playing is like humming to me,” says Khruangbin’s Laura Lee Ochoa. “I hum to myself all the time. It’s very in-your-body. It’s also one note, it can be as melodic as I want it to be, and it’s simple. It was something that just resonated with me.”
Ochoa is describing the epiphany that brought her to the bass back in 2009, when she was working as a third-grade math teacher. First learning piano with help from her pal, guitarist Mark Speer, she recalls, “I was trying to play along to a song and he said to follow the bass. Then I picked one up, and it weirdly made sense to me.” It was a monumental event—the catalyst for just about everything that followed.
Soon, Ochoa quit her teaching job to go on tour with Speer in the shoegaze band Yppah. “It was five people staying in a Motel 6 every night, flipping a quarter for who slept on a bed,” she remembers. “We were in a minivan, I had no amp, I was playing direct every night—it was that kind of tour. Our very last show was in Seattle, and we drove to Houston in one shot and didn’t stop. We were all crooked getting out of the van, and I looked at Mark and was like, ‘I wanna start a band.’”
Khruangbin - "Pon Pón"
Ochoa and Speer’s weekly hangs with Donald “DJ” Johnson Jr., a producer who played with Speer at a regular church gig, made assembling a band easy. “I didn’t know that DJ played drums,” says Ochoa, “because I knew him as an organ or keyboard player. Mark was like, ‘I’ve never heard DJ play drums, but I know he’ll play the way we want.’”
“I didn’t grow up ever thinking I’d play bass.”
Fast forward a few years of jamming, and Khruangbin released their debut, The Universe Smiles Upon You, in 2015. The trio caught the ears of listeners and critics with their unique stew of influences, the most immediate of which was vintage Thai funk, but international sounds from Peru to the Middle East were detectable. Speer played with the reverb-soaked twang of surf rock and the laid-back feel of soul jazz. Ochoa and Johnson served as his rhythmic foils, delivering tight grooves with both bounce and economy that were equal parts reggae, Motown, and lo-fi hip-hop.
Laura Lee Ochoa's Gear
Ochoa uses flats on her original SX J bass and never changes ’em.
Photo by Jordi Vidal
Bass
- SX J bass
Amp
- Acme Audio Motown DI
- Ampeg bass amp
Strings
- Flatwounds
Khruangbin skyrocketed to the tops of taste-making lists, drawing in record collectors and public radio listeners alike. Along the way, the band lived in their sound more deeply with every new project. And there have been many: They’ve now delivered four LPs, plus a pair of EPs with Leon Bridges, and Ali, a collaboration with Malian guitar virtuoso Vieux Farka Touré as a tribute to his legendary father, Ali Farka Touré.
On their newest album, A LA SALA, the band jump-started the writing process by digging into their vault of demos and jams, going as far back as one of Speers’ pre-Khruangbin demos of “May Ninth,” which dates from 2008. Other vault recordings came from throughout their career—“Ada Jean” was demoed around the time of their debut—while some songs are new. The goal, Ochoa says, was “to just be influenced by ourselves.” Like the Rolling Stones’ Tattoo You or Van Halen’s A Different Kind of Truth, both of which were created by archive-diving, there are no discernible differences between the old and new. They all simply sound like Khruangbin. “When I listen to the final product and what they turned into,” says Johnson of their vault recordings, “it’s incredible to me.”
While Ochoa and Johnson call Speer’s guitar the lead singer of the mostly instrumental group—though Ochoa’s voice is featured, it’s mostly as a background element—at the heart of the band’s sound is the deep, sympathetic rhythmic hookup between the three players, and much of that starts with the foundation laid down by Ochoa and Johnson. “A lot of times, it starts with DJ and I playing a bunch to lock in,” says Ochoa. “We’ll start smiling at each other, like, ‘We’re here now.’” Together, they bounce. They’re tight, but airy. The low end pumps enough to keep you moving, even on slower, lighter tunes, but their flow is always dynamic.
A LA SALA features all new recordings, but the songs are a mix of all-new compositions and some that consist of old riffs and parts dating as far back as 2008.
On 2020’s Mordechai, the band tweaked their formula and their feel. The songs leaned more toward poppy, dance grooves, and Ochoa’s breathy background vocals moved into the fore. Her playing changed as well. “I was trying to be complicated,” she explains. “I was trying to play things that were slightly less comfortable for myself because I was trying to go outside the box and play more notes or play faster.” It was an essential step in her internal relationship with the bass. “It’s like being a teenager in the lifespan of playing. I started out naively, and then I was like, ‘I know more, my fingers are more agile, I’m going to make this more complicated.’”
By pushing herself to the limit on Mordechai, Ochoa was able to find more of herself—the kind of stuff that really makes Laura Lee sound like Laura Lee—on A LA SALA. “I feel like with this record, I didn’t have that same need,” she says. Instead, she decided to “just play what sounds good and what feels good.”
“If you lose the fourth-finger thing, it creates a limitation, but for me it’s fun and bouncy.”
Whether on “Juegos y Nubes,” where she plays an on/off counterpoint to Speer’s guitar melody or “Three from Two,” where she injects melody into a mostly root/fifth pattern, her sound is immediately recognizable. Much of that is because of her melody-driven sensibility—her influences are more melodic, and she says she doesn’t really have favorite bassists. “I didn’t grow up ever thinking I’d play bass,” she points out.
Ochoa also credits her sound in part to her technique. “I don’t play with all four of my fingers, because I attach two of my fingers together,” she explains. “I’m not technically trained. Because of that, I think I play differently, and it changes the feel of the whole thing. Like James Jamerson playing with one finger, if you lose the fourth finger thing, it creates a limitation, but for me it’s fun and bouncy.”
And Ochoa’s sense of rhythm is a crucial part of her playing. It’s what helps sell the sound and makes it so infectious. “I play and practice Laura Lee bass lines because they’re fun to play,” says Johnson. “The stuff that you sit down and you play is the stuff that’s good and the stuff that you like. I’m always studying her placement. She has a very keen sense of rhythm that’s on top but doesn’t rush. It’s laid-back but it doesn’t drag. I’d be lying if I told you I’ve figured it out.”
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The trio’s effortless mastery of groove and style is evident in this cover-filled set from the 2022 BBC 6 Music Festival.
The effects-crazy, THC-fueled Japanese psychedelic rockers, led by guitarists Tomo Katsurada and Daoud Popal, have called it quits, but not before one last album and tour.
The core of Kikagaku Moyo, a psychedelic quintet from Tokyo, Japan, is group improvisation. Collaborative synergy and interplay are embedded deep within the band’s collective subconscious, and their live shows—as well as their studio recordings—are often spontaneous acts of creation.
“It’s a lot of eye contact and a lot of concentration,” Tomo Katsurada, one of the band’s two guitarists, explains while discussing the group’s approach to “instant composition,” a term borrowed from one of their primary influences, Krautrock pioneers Can. Although, in his telling, the emphasis is on the concentration. “I smoke so much weed before the show—we all smoke so much weed and we go so high. But it’s crazy. We’ll have a long improvisation—maybe that’ll even be 25 minutes on one song—and I’ll use up all my THC from my brain and I’ll be completely sober. It’s crazy to realize how much concentration goes into instant composing on the stage. There’s a lot of control that we have by way of concentration while improvising.”
But that intense hyperfocus—the byproduct of relentless touring and rehearsing—took a forced hiatus once the pandemic brought the world to a halt. That pause was particularly difficult for Kikagaku Moyo. By the time Covid hit, two members of the band had relocated from the Tokyo area to Amsterdam; a third would soon follow. So, the recording of Kumoyo Island, the group’s latest and final release (more about that in a minute), was particularly hampered because of the lockdown. They couldn’t travel to jam, let alone get together in a studio, which meant that a lot of the album was done piecemeal—either via swapping files online or by one member taking the lead producing a particular track.
Kikagaku Moyo - Kumoyo Island (Full Album-2022)
That approach comes out in the record’s overall sound. For example, “Cardboard Pile,” which is still very much a trippy, psych-type groove, is cut up and self-sampled in a style that’s more reminiscent of DJ Shadow than anything normally associated with the psychedelic canon. “Gomugomu” takes a complete left turn and oozes a warbly, off-kilter country music vibe. There’s also the more atmospheric, ambient feel of songs like “Daydream Soda” and “Maison Silk Road.” Not that the album is lacking for Kikagaku Moyo signature bangers. “Field of Tiger Lilies” and the almost—should we call it “funk?”—“Dancing Blue” leave a lot of room to blossom when played in front of an audience, which may be the craziest thing about Kumoyo Island.
When the band finally reconvened to tour in support of the new album, the soundcheck—which took place three hours before their first performance—was the first time they played any of these new songs together.
Not that it mattered.
“It worked,” Katsurada says, unfazed. “We’ve been playing music together for so long that it’s really fast for us to create the groove or find the vibe of the song. And the rest of the parts we can improvise.”
“I love to stomp a red-color pedal when I engage the fuzz and overdrive. Visually it makes me feel like I am ready to fuzz out.”—Tomo Katsurada
“We always value that first energy, that primitive energy,” Daoud Popal, Kikagaku Moyo’s other guitarist, says about those early 2022 soundchecks. “Those first few times, we had no idea how the songs go. Of course, now we can play them better, but those early primitive versions of those songs were also great.”
In a sense, for the members of Kikagaku Moyo, recording a song in the studio isn’t so much about creating a completed, final product as much as it is about bringing it into the world. From that point forward, how it evolves is anyone’s guess.
“Songs get older and grow up,” Katsurada says. “They grow up together with how we grow up. After we record a song, we bring it on tour, and it grows as we tour. We still have so many ideas from inside the song, and that makes it not boring when playing shows every day. It’s always challenging, and it’s always growing.”
“A song [when it was recorded] may have been a version that was very true to ourselves a few years ago,” Popal adds. “But now, a few years later, it maybe sounds unnatural to us, like we don’t have that kind of feeling anymore. But when we add some jamming parts, that always updates the songs to our current feelings.”
Kikagaku Moyo’s twin guitar lineup is augmented with an electric sitar that’s played by Ryu Kurosawa (his brother, Go, is the band’s drummer). His background is in Indian classical music, and he’s had to adjust his thinking and approach to better define his role and place in the band. That was particularly important, because while the group wanted the colors and broad palette the instrument offered, they didn’t want it to become a gimmick.
Tomo Katsurada's Gear
Tomo Katsurada, like Daoud Popal, plays just one guitar: a Gibson Les Paul Junior Special with two P-90 pickups.
Photo by Sara Amroussi Gilissen
Guitars
Amp
- Fender Twin Reverb
Effects
- Boss PV-1 Rocker Volume
- Xotic XW-1 Wah
- Xotic Super Clean
- Electro-Harmonix Big Muff Pi V4 (Op Amp)
- Carlin Compressor
- Carlin Phaser
- Catalinbread Pareidolia
- ZVEX Octane 3
- Lovetone Big Cheese Clone by Thomas Graham
- Dawner Prince Boonar Multi-Head Drum Echo
- Danelectro Back Talk Reverse Delay (V1)
- Fairfield Circuitry Shallow Water
- Electro-Harmonix Holy Grail Nano
- TC Electronic PolyTune 3
Strings
- Unknown brand of strings that have been on his guitar since early 2022
Picks
- Dunlop Tortex .60 mm
“Once he customized his acoustic sitar to electric sitar, he had more opportunity to explore the electric sounds with the pedals,” Katsurada adds. “Me and Daoud are always experimenting with pedals, but sometimes guitar pedals don’t work with sitar. Some fuzz pedals don’t sound as good. It was trial and error until he found a good fuzz pedal for the sitar.”
When it comes to sculpting tones—and, judging from the array of awesome sounds they’ve concocted over the years, both guitarists are bonafide tone fiends—pedals are where the action is. They don’t vary their guitars. Katsurada plays a Gibson Les Paul Junior, and Popal plays a Vox Mirage II, and that’s basically it. Their arsenal of amps is similarly one-dimensional: They have six Fender Twin Reverbs in Amsterdam that everyone uses (except bass), and another three in the U.S.
The band’s final album was also the first they recorded via file sharing and distanced production, due to Covid.
Katsurada relies on an assortment of vintage tape echoes, like a 1970s-era Japanese-made Kastam and an aged Binson Echorec, although these days he won’t take either of those on the road. “I am too scared to carry that,” he says. Nowadays, he uses a digital copy of the Binson. “It’s not the same, but that’s more for myself. It’s a micro-difference for the audience, but it is different. The right echo unit makes me feel so much better when I play.” He also uses a variety of fuzz boxes, like a Big Muff and a Carlin Compressor overdrive, and he’s particular about the color, too, which helps with the live show, both in terms of practicality as well as the vibe. “I love to stomp a red color pedal when I engage the fuzz and overdrive,” he says. “Visually it makes me feel like I am ready to fuzz out.”
Popal isn’t as picky. “I use a Fuzz War by Death by Audio, but to be honest, I am not a gear geek. Many times, I use pedals and have no idea what they are. Tomo gives me something and says, ‘You should use this.’ I say, ‘Okay,’ and I use it. For example, the Foxx Tone Machine is a pedal I got it from Tomo.”
“We’ll have a long improvisation—maybe that’ll even be 25 minutes on one song—and I’ll use up all my THC from my brain and I’ll be completely sober.”—Tomo Katsurada
He does, however, have a penchant for expression pedals. “I love to play with my feet, like wah—I like that a lot. Usually, the guitar is played with two hands only, and the wah is a very unique addition. With a foot pedal, it’s like playing guitar with three hands. I use other expression pedals connected to two of my pedals. One is delay—a Roland Space Echo—and I change the delay time with my expression pedal. That same pedal—it has two outputs—is also connected to the tremolo, so, again, I can change the tremolo’s BPM with my foot.”
But great tones and incredible chemistry aside, after a decade together—and five full-length albums in the can, plus many other releases—Kikagaku Moyo has called it quits. They spent most of 2022 on the road, and their final show was in Tokyo on December 3.
Daoud Popal's Gear
Daoud Popal is transported by his band’s “instant composition” at the 2022 Desert Daze festival, held in Riverside County, California, in late September.
Photo by Debi Del Grande
Guitar
- Vox Mirage II
Amps
- Fender Twin Reverb
Effects
- TC Electronic PolyTune 3
- Xotic EP Booster
- Electro-Harmonix Holy Grail Nano
- Catalinbread Belle Epoch
- JAM Pedals Big Chill
- Boss AC-2 Acoustic Simulator
- Boss RE-20 Space Echo
- Electro-Harmonix Stereo Clone Theory Analog Chorus/Vibrato
- J. Rockett Archer Ikon Boost/Overdrive
- ZVEX Instant Lo-Fi Junky
- Dunlop MC404 CAE Wah
- Death by Audio Fuzz War
- Foxx Tone Machine
- Two Boss Expression Pedals
Strings
- Ernie Ball (.010 sets)
Picks
- Dunlop Tortex .60 mm
“We decided at the end of 2021, after we came back from a West Coast tour, that this tour is going to be the last one,” Katsurada says. “It is better for us to finish up this project and to archive our project together. That’s the healthiest way for us to keep a good relationship, and friendship. I am going to keep playing music. I have a radio program that I am doing with my partner, and I have many music projects that I am interested in doing. Maybe I’ll make my solo music and just keep making music, but not as a band. Now, I am interested in working with people I’ve never worked with, and I want to explore my creativity in music. It is really good to collaborate with other people I have never worked with. I feel I can find myself more.”
“The last two years, since Covid, two of us—and now three—were already separated and living in Amsterdam,” Popal adds. “Naturally, under Covid we couldn’t do much touring, and so I started my own projects in Japan. I believe I will continue with those.”
To drive the point home, and as a special gesture for the final tour, Katsurada was attempting to play every show throughout 2022 on the same set of strings. “I still haven’t broken any yet,” he says, somewhat amazed. “We’ve never missed a show in 10 years, never canceled; so we don’t want to cancel any shows and I don’t want to break any strings. That’s the goal.”