Kevin Starrs is pictured here with his custom Collings 290 DC S. His live tonal recipe is plugging into a Toetags Electronics custom tweed Bassman clone or a Lil’ Dawg tweed Deluxe clone, and his favorite pedal is a modded Basic Audio Spooky Tooth. “I’ve used that pedal at every live show we’ve ever done,” Starrs says. Photo by Ester Segarra
The lead sounds on Wasteland in particular have a lot of character to them. How did you go about copping those tones? Is there a typical starting point for you?
My favorite pedal for leads is the EarthQuaker Devices Speaker Cranker. I use that on everything, especially live. It’s such a good pedal. That was on quite a few of the solos. I also have an early-’80s MXR Distortion+ that I used for quite a few leads. I use those into a tweed Deluxe. I had a ’58 Deluxe that I used a little bit, but it started giving me problems.
I actually used a ’72 Marshall Super Lead on quite a lot of the record, which is unusual for us. It’s a very different sound from the tweeds, obviously, with a lot more headroom. You hear that on the solos on “Exodus” and “Bedouin.”
I love how the guitar and bass form a single unit and blend into one another on rhythm parts. The main riff on “I See Through You” is a great example of this, and the respective tones don’t sound like they’d be particularly heavy without the context the other tones give them.
I think a lot of heavy bands these days focus on sub-bass frequencies, and that’s fine, but I didn’t grow up on music like that. I grew up on old-school metal that lived more in the 40 Hz zone and it had less to do with massive low end than it did with having a mean sound in the midrange and things locking together. So, my approach comes from that world more than anything.
Describe how you run your Deluxes to get your sound, and do you have any workarounds for the way they can close down when you hit the front end with a fuzz pedal when the amp’s already cooking?
I don’t run mine full up, but I run them at around 7 or 8. I think it really depends on the fuzz you use. The specific one I like the most is a Basic Audio Spooky Tooth, which I bought secondhand, but had John Lyons at Basic Audio modify it to be less compressed. With a tweed Deluxe, they naturally compress quite heavily, so this fuzz has less compression and is less heavy than a normal fuzz and borders on the structure of an overdrive, but with the tone and texture of a fuzz. It works really well with tweeds because there’s already got a lot of saturation going on. I’ve used that pedal at every live show we’ve ever done. It’s a mix of a few vintage circuits and it works really well for what I do.
Tell us about the Edwards by ESP Les Paul Junior replica you use. I’ve also seen you play a really cool Collings over the years, too. Is that guitar still in the mix?
The Edwards has been with me since Vol. 1. I used the Edwards on the first couple of tours and we did a couple of fly-in shows and it actually went missing. It ended up in Egypt somehow and it was like, “How’d it get there?” So I thought it was just best not to take that guitar with me anymore because I’ve written so many songs on it and it’s very sentimental. I’ve got a second Edwards that I used to track this album, but it’s really strange because it’s the exact same model guitar and everything, but it feels and sounds completely different to my original one.
The Collings is so well-built, it never goes out of tune. It’s super comfortable to play and a great stage guitar. I contacted them to see if they’d be interested in building me something and they were interested, so that one is based on their 290 DC S, but built for me with a specific neck shape and pickup. It’s a great guitar.
I also recently got a real 1961 Gibson Les Paul Junior in TV yellow which has a three-digit serial number, so it’s super rare. They only made a couple of hundred that year in that color. Luckily I got a really good deal on it because it had a headstock repair, but I find they feel a lot more solid after they suffer those. They’re such good guitars, and that one made it on this record a bit.
Did all of those guitars make it onto Wasteland?
For the core rhythm tracks that were done live I used my second Edwards, while most of the lead stuff is my original Edwards. It’s actually really strange, but it’s mostly the two Edwards guitars! There’s something special about Japanese guitars. I think they’re made better than the current production Gibsons and I don’t modify them at all. We tune down to C# and there’s a lot of room to bend and it works for my thing. I did pick up a slightly compensated tailpiece for my Juniors—not one with real saddles, but it’s got ridges to compensate. I’m going to try that, but the originals aren’t that bad.
Who are your influences as a guitarist? There’s obviously a major dose of Black Sabbath in what you do, but the Neil Young thing is a bit of a revelation.
Dave Murray from Iron Maiden is a huge one. When I was younger, I just wanted to be him. I had everything set up the same, a Strat with two humbuckers and the whole kit. Peter Green from Fleetwood Mac is, to me, the best British guitarist of all time—better than Clapton and Page. Jeff Beck and Peter Green are neck-and-neck in my book. It was all of that old hard rock and metal and trying to copy those guys that really improved my lead playing.
What is it about Peter Green’s playing that speaks so deeply to you?
It’s his choice of notes and the emotion that’s in his playing, especially on the slower, bluesier ballad kind of songs. To me, it was just incredible stuff. He had a great voice as well and writes great songs, and he plays blues in a way that very few people can, in my opinion. I think it’s a real shame that he doesn’t have the sort of fan base those other guys have. He doesn’t have the PR team that Jimmy Page has to keep himself on the cover of magazines every year. Green’s playing never quite recovered after his mental break episode, but his playing on Live in Boston in the ’70s is just so amazing to me.
Were you listening to anything in particular that informed the songs on Wasteland?
A lot of Roger Waters’ solo stuff, which I love and doesn’t get as much attention as the Pink Floyd stuff. Roky Erickson’s music came back into my life again. A band called the Testors from the ’70s that really influenced “Stranger Tonight,” which has that sort of power-pop/early punk thing going on.
You guys opened a tour for Black Sabbath in Europe a few years back. What was that like for you as an Iommi fan, and did you learn anything from that experience as a player?
They all kind of kept to themselves, but they’d pop into the dressing room and crack jokes and stuff. They were very friendly and let us play their guitars and check out their setups and stuff like that. We felt very welcome. One thing I appreciated is the way Tony would arrive before anyone else to do soundcheck and still be the last person to leave as well. He’s still out there tweaking his amps and works really hard to make sure it sounds as good as it can in each venue. That work ethic was very impressive.
You’ve had a few rhythm guitarists in the band over the years. With Vaughn Stokes moving from bass to guitar, what makes him the right guitarist for Uncle Acid?
It’s really about having somebody that has their own thing going on and isn’t just copying what I’m doing. Having someone that’s a tighter player than me helps a lot because I’m very sloppy and distorted and everything is chaos on my end. With Vaughn, his sound is so dirty, but it’s not as over-the-top as mine is, so it helps give our total sound some separation and balance. Vaughn’s sound has a lot more low end and he uses humbuckers, which match well with my P-90 sound.
What pedals did you use on the album and what’s in your live rig these days?
The ones you hear the most often are the Basic Audio Spooky Tooth, EarthQuaker Speaker Cranker, and an old Boss BF-1 Flanger, which is set between flange and chorus—you hear that at the end of “Shockwave City.” I also used a Boss reverb pedal at the end of “Slow Death” with the feedback turned all the way up.
What about stage amps?
Live I’m using an amp made by Toetags Electronics that’s a replica of a ’50s Bassman circuit running into two 10" speakers instead of four. That’s a really great amp, and we use it here in the States. In Europe, it’s a different setup and the main tweed I use is built by Lil’ Dawg. He made us a 25-watt tweed Deluxe that runs 6L6s like Neil Young, and I use one of those as my main amp. I use that tweed with a ’63 Vox AC30, which gives me a ton of volume and also tightens up the bottom end a bit. Those old Voxes are obviously such great amps!
You’ve said before that you see yourself as a pop songwriter who sings about scary stuff, rather than aligning yourself with the metal world. Could you elaborate a bit on how your pop sensibilities come into Uncle Acid’s music?
Pop music should be all about the melody and that’s the main thing, and that’s what I’m trying to do. To me, the most important part of our music is getting a really good vocal melody that works well with a riff. For me, it starts with a riff and I work from there, but I like hooks and things like that. To be fair, a lot of the old metal songs had loads of hooks. Even Metallica records were really catchy and well-written, but people tend to forget that and focus on the heaviness of it and how powerful those records are, which is cool as well, but there are really good songwriting fundamentals in classic metal. To me it misses the whole point to listen to only heavy music, if you’re making heavy music. I think it’s good to have a wide range of influences and listen to as many different styles as you possibly can because it will all infiltrate your music in some way.
I also think the production in metal has gone way too clean. You can hear every element of the drum kit and every little guitar part and it’s gotten too high definition for me. It sounds like it’s made by computers and not people.
The current iteration of Uncle Acid and the Deadbeats perform a blistering set at California’s Desert Daze Festival.