Nile Rodgers Put Rhythm Up Front (and Cory Wong Listened)
Funk-guitar wiz and Wong Notes host Cory Wong flips the script and sits in the 100 Guitarists guest chair.
Funk-guitar wiz and Wong Noteshost Cory Wong flips the script and sits in the 100 Guitarists guest chair. Wong cleared his schedule to talk about one Nile Rodgersā work on the Halo 2 soundtrack. We were lucky that got him to return our call, but we did move on quickly.
Wong is a scholar of all things rhythm guitarāand that means all things Nile. We talk about how the Hitmaker voices his progressionsāāYou hear Nile play a chord progression ā¦ and itās that songāāand the role of rhythm guitar in general. Cory delivers his list of best Nile performances, tips for direct guitar sounds, and most surprising Nile collabs.
Ever wonder what it would sound like if Nile Rodgers produced David Lee Roth covering Willie Nelson? Give a listen and drop us a know when you check it out for yourself.
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The Philadelphia band looked back to classic disco and funk grooves to create Playing Favorites, the yearās dirtiest and most danceable power-pop record.
āThere are two wolves inside me,ā says Kyle Seely. āOne of them wants to just bring the JCM800 and a distortion pedal, and the other oneās like, āIām bringing the Helix and Iām making a different patch for every song.āā
Seely, who plays lead guitar in Philadelphia band Sheer Mag, is the designer and engineer behind the guitar sounds for the arena-gone-garage-rock outfit. Matt Palmer, his rhythm guitar counterpart, smirks. āEvery single tour, Kyle is like, āIāve finally figured it out, Iām going to simplify it.ā Itās never simpler,ā he chuckles.
Seelyās self-described āendless tone questā and the tight, gritty weave of his and Palmerās guitars have helped grow Sheer Mag into one of the most beloved independent American guitar bands of the past decade. The core quartet, with vocalist Tina Halladay and bassist and producer Hart Seely, Kyleās brother, emerged from Phillyās punk scene in 2014 with a string of bare-knuckled EPs. Their first full-length, 2017ās Need to Feel Your Love, scored spots on plenty of reputable year-end lists, and the track āExpect the Bayonetā was featured at one of Bernie Sandersā 2019 rallies. That year, the band released A Distant Call, another fan and critic favorite, via their Wilsuns label.
Sheer Mag signed to Jack Whiteās Third Man Records for their new release, but they still did things their way, recording in an industrial warehouse jam space on the edge of Philadelphia.
Now 10 years in, they launched their third LP, Playing Favorites, in March with Third Man Recordsātheir first step into āthe proper label world,ā says Seely. The record is a lo-fi riot, a hyper, tireless romp through the gasoline-slicked back alleys of disco, punk rock, glam, and metal.
But on Playing Favorites, more than any of their other records, the band is open about their compositional ambition and commitment to making songs that are just a blast to listen to. (The recordās title winks at this.) The thrifted and dirtied-up disco of āAll Lined Upā is one of the bandās most impressive compositions to date, topped only by the Boston-ish funk-rock odyssey of āMechanical Garden.ā After a vintage metal intro, the track warps into a string section that slows and then, thanks to some careful tape trickery from Hart Seely, gradually melts upward to a new key and swaggering groove. Later, a scorching, treble-blasted solo from Tuareg guitar hero Mdou Moctar streaks across the stars. But the recordās highlight has to be the delicious strut of āMoonstruck,ā which might have the best chorus of the year, and sports some of Kyle Seelyās most exciting lead work yet. (Seelyās Southern rock tendencies and the round, percussive tone of his Nashville Tele are virtually calling cards for the band at this point. āI canāt not add a ton of vibrato,ā he says. āI love the Allman Brothers, Marshall Tucker Band, a lot of the major, mixolydian kind of soloing.ā)
Kyle Seely's Gear
Kyle Seely handles the bulk of the bandās tone-sculpting, digging for sounds between his JCM800 and his brother Hartās effects units.
Photo by Joanna Roselli
Pedals
- TC Electronic Mimiq
- Ensoniq DP/4
Strings & Picks
- DāAddario XL Pure Nickel strings
- Dunlop Jazz III nylon picks
Despite the label association, the band recorded Playing Favorites in true Sheer Mag style, in a warehouse in Philly that doubles as a practice space for a bunch of bands. The spaceās wiring produces an audible hum on any amp that plugs in there, a stamp that Kyle says can be heard at the very start of āMoonstruck.ā Hart engineered the sessions using a 16-channel mixer to a Tascam tape machineāanother piece of Sheer Magās rough-edged charm. And Hartās bass lines, which often form a unique melody on their own, cement the bandās signature dual-guitar growl. Though they havenāt been quite as audible until now, disco and funk have always been cornerstones of the Mag sound, alongside classic rock and power-pop. Kyle and Palmer agree that the give-and-take of Chicās Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards was particularly instructive. āThey would do this stuff where they were just filling in the space between each other, so they werenāt all just playing the same riff, but thereād be a groove,ā says Seely.
āWeāre almost like a mashup band, where itās original content, but weāre essentially mashing up different philosophies of rock.ā āKyle Seely
Those influences are especially present this time outāPlaying Favorites is certainly the bandās most danceable record yet. But itās still a hard-rockinā power-pop record, and Sheer Mag are still jacking the best vibes from Duke Jupiter, Stampeders, the Records, Neil Diamond, Quiet Riot, Badfinger, and other oddities from the borders of ā70s and ā80s guitar music. Somehow, those sounds havenāt lost their luster. When Palmer returned to Philadelphia from a stint living in Australia, he started playing old Thin Lizzy, Bee Gees, and Twisted Sister records to prepare for making the new album. He was pleasantly surprised to find those classics still moved him. āIt was a really special feeling to be as excited about the original influences of the band 10 years later,ā says Palmer. āThe initial Mag feeling was still there.ā
Matt Palmer's Gear
Palmer, seen here with his Peavey T-60, revisited the bandās original influences to prepare for Playing Favorites. They hadnāt lost any of their magic.
Photo by Joanna Roselli
Guitars
- Peavey T-60
Amps
- Fender Hot Rod DeVille III 410
Pedals
- Boss TU-3
- Boss ME-90
Strings & Picks
- Tortex Standard Pick .60mm
- DāAddario .011s
But unlike some of the big-budget, one-note arena- and glam-rock records of the ā80sāwhich has become one of the most passĆ© and snickered-about genres of the past 100 yearsāSheer Mag bookend their hooks with production flourishes that deepen their impact: a weirdo delay here, a doubled vocal there, a grimy sonic palette flickering in the background, all rendered with delicious imagination and precision.
āYou do want to punch them in the face with something memorable, but also, I think the record is built to reward repeat listening, and you can dig into the deeper textures and complexity the more you listen to it,ā says Kyle Seely. āWeāre almost like a mashup band, where itās original content, but weāre essentially mashing up different philosophies of rock. I get excited when people are like, āThat sounds like Jackson 5 meets Aerosmith.āā
Sheer Mag - Expect the Bayonet [Live at Urban Lounge]
Sheer Mag rip through their Bernie Sanders-approved warning cry, āExpect the Bayonet,ā in Salt Lake City in 2022.
āMusic is inherently a collaborative process, and quite often, our heroes work better together.ā
In 1986, my friend Jon Small produced the video for Run-DMC and Aerosmithās version of āWalk this Way.ā Small starts the video with Aerosmith loudly jamming in a rehearsal space with an annoyed Run-DMC shouting from the adjacent room, āTurn that noise down, man.ā When DMC realizes they canāt get around it, they have to get into it.
They rap the first verse, and then Steven Tyler breaks down the wall between the rooms and joins Run-DMC on the chorus. The metaphor is pretty brilliant, tearing down the wall between hip-hop and rock, tearing down cultural walls and unifying two audiences that seem totally different but are way more similar than anyone suspected.
Tyler, being a drummer at heart, wrote the lyrics with this perfect percussive flow that was essentially rap before rap was rap. Tyler also peppered the lyrics with double entendre, which became a huge part of hip-hop.
āWalk This Wayā was 10 years old at the time, and Aerosmith had been through it all. The band's drug use had taken its toll. Joe Perry and Brad Whitford had both quit and rejoined, labels were skeptical, and radio was ignoring them. But this crossover collaboration reached No. 4 on the Billboard Hot 100, and its frequently aired video resurrected Aerosmithās career by introducing the bandās music to a new generation. It also paved the way for a melding of rock and hip-hop in the hands of acts like Rage Against the Machine, Kid Rock, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and all the others who jumped into these blurred lines created by this collaboration.
Music is inherently a collaboration. In every band, orchestra, duo, etc., players join together to achieve a common goal. Even if youāre a soloist, your arms, legs, and fingers are doing wildly different, complicated tasks separately while working together, hopefully in harmony. The best collaborations happen when the energy/talent/spirit/personality jell in such a way that it brings the best out of everyone, creating work that neither party could have done alone. Beatles, Stones, Aerosmith ā¦ none of the membersā solo work is as good as the band collaborations that made their careers.
Collaborations go the other way as well, like those big, epic closing jams at a concert, where 5 to 15 guitarists get on stage and each player tries to kick the ass of the person soloing before them. They usually turn into an unwatchable dweedlely-dweedle wank fest. A three-diva sing off is equally torturous: no melody, all riffs. Thatās ego getting in the way of being part of something bigger than you. Thatās why most supergroups are usually less than super. But great artists thrive with collaboration.
āIggy Pop seems like a feral animal compared to elegant Bowie, and yet the two wrote and produced a ton of legendary music together throughout the ā70s and ā80s.ā
One of the attributes that made David Bowie such a next-level talent was his love of collaboration, particularly with artists who were so different from himself. Bowieās hit āFameā was a collaboration with John Lennon. One of my favorite Christmas songs is Bing Crosby and Bowieās āThe Little Drummer Boy.ā In 1981, Bowie and Queen were both recording their own projects at Mountain Studios in Montreux, Switzerland. This led to Queen inviting Bowie to sing on a track, which led to an impromptu writing/recording session, which led to the creation of āUnder Pressure.ā
Bowie brought in a young and unknown Stevie Ray Vaughan to be the rude, angry counter to Nile Rodgersā slick and funky rhythm on āLetās Dance.ā Iggy Pop seems like a feral animal compared to elegant Bowie, and yet the two wrote and produced a ton of legendary music together throughout the ā70s and ā80s. Together, they served each other as perfect foils.
Claptonās guitar weeping over George Harrisonās āWhile My Guitar Gently Weeps,ā Eddie Van Halenās rearranging Michael Jacksonās āBeat Itā then laying down his iconic solo over the new section, or more recently, Bonamassaās guitar driving under Glenn Hughesā soaring vocals and Jason Bonhamās thunder with Black Country Communionās new single, āStay Free,ā collaboration can take it to places where no one has gone before.
When I moved to Nashville 32 years ago, a writer told me this town was built on collaboration; itās all co-writing, jamming, working together on lifeās never-ending art project. Not only do you get a fresh direction in your work, but your chances of success double when two people are working on promotion rather than doing it all alone. The best part is the relationships you form. As your peer group comes to power, you all help each other along the way.
There are two collaborations I would love to see happen:
Ultimate collab #1:
Jack White and Jack Black. They are already friends. Both have an over-the-top, theatrical delivery. The project name options are numerous and brilliant. Call this unholy union āJack White and Blackā or āJack Jack White Black.ā
Ultimate collab #2:
Marcus King and Kingfish. Both brilliant guitarists deep in the blues/rock world, but with sophisticated jazz leanings. Both sons of the South. Proposed name: Marcus King Fish.
Marcus, Chris, Jack, and Jack, if you are reading this, know that your audience awaits with eager anticipation.