Darryl Jenifer and Gary “Dr. Know” Miller of Bad Brains discuss their trailblazing fusion of disparate styles—from jazz to soul, reggae, punk, funk, and metal—as well as how their new album, "Into the Future," totally lives up to its name, and what it’s like to be both legends and underdogs more than 30 years into their career.
Photo by Frank Okenfels III
When it comes to bands who’ve altered the course of musical history with mind-blowing creativity and yet somehow never really gotten their due, Bad Brains is right up there with Spirit, the Velvet Underground, Moby Grape, and the Stooges. Despite these bands’ stylistic differences, each shares the distinction of dragging modern music kicking and screaming in a fresh new direction and heavily influencing countless bands that went on to greater fame and fortune.
To be fair, in the case of Bad Brains, the fault wasn’t entirely that of fate or a fickle music industry. The band’s lack of mainstream success has had at least as much to do with their two-edged eclecticism and the unpredictability and substance-abuse issues of lead singer Paul “H.R.” Hudson—a savant who, in his heyday, could seamlessly channel the most alluring elements of Curtis Mayfield, Bob Marley, Johnny Rotten, and a rabid old-school hip-hop emcee.
Formed in Washington, D.C., in 1977, the Brains began as a Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra-inspired jazz-fusion outfit called Mind Power. But then the four—H.R., drummer brother Earl Hudson, guitarist Gary “Dr. Know” Miller (aka “Doc”), and bassist Darryl Jenifer—got turned on to Black Sabbath, the Damned, Bob Marley, and the Ramones (a song by the latter inspired their name change). Just as importantly, they all joined the Rastafari spiritual movement, which would henceforth imbue their work with a message of peace, positivity, and perseverance.
Even so, within two years of their newfound fascination with raging volume, seemingly incongruous genres, and “the Great Spirit,” Bad Brains had been banned from most D.C. clubs because of their raucous stage performances. And though Jenifer, Doc, and Co. went into the studio soon after relocating to New York City in 1980, the reverb-drenched reggae-punk tunes from those dates inexplicably laid dormant until the 1997 release of The Omega Sessions EP. Consequently, Bad Brains’ first official album was 1982’s eponymous ROIR Records release—a debut chock-full of breakneck beats, raging power chords, raw-toned shredding, and bass lines so thrash-tastic they make your hands hurt just listening to them.
Bad Brains Must-Hear Moments
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“Stay Close to Me”
The Omega Sessions (1980)
Gary “Dr. Know” Miller’s tastefully restrained chukka-chukka reggae
rhythms float atop a warm wave of reverb, alternating with crunchy
power-chord stabs in the choruses, while Darryl Jenifer’s bass lines
bob and slither irresistibly, and H.R.’s vocals paint a picture of a
Rasta-inhabited Motown.
“Big Take Over”
Bad Brains (1982)
Doc layers Morse code-like pickup-pole tapping over a tapped lick
on the intro to this barnburner before Jenifer and drummer Earl
Hudson jump in with a relentlessly pulsating drive. At 2:14, Miller
augments his feedback-soaked solo with subtle wah.
“Right Brigade”
Rock for Light (1983)
Working with the Cars’ Ric Ocasek in the studio, Bad Brains redid
a few tunes from their previous album, including “Rock for Light.”
The whole album shifts a bit more toward metal, and at 1:30 on this
track Doc rips out a solo with a catchy pull-off lick punctuated by
bent notes that offer a breather before he shreds his way up the
fretboard.
“Return to Heaven”
I Against I (1986)
Doc starts things off with a reverse whammy-bar dive and an
angular progression before the song settles into a midtempo funk-metal
groove of the sort that actually does both genres justice.
H.R.’s vocals vacillate between ethereal and swirling jungle calls,
and at 1:50 Doc’s razor-toned solo begins and ends with hummable,
impeccably timed triplets and climaxes in the middle with a
rapid-fire staccato lick.
“No Conditions”
Quickness (1989)
H.R. rejoined the Brains after Jenifer and Doc cut the instrumental
tracks with Cro-Mags drummer Mackie Jayson and singer Taj
Singleton, but thankfully they swapped the latter’s tracks with lastminute
H.R. cuts. The result is a powerhouse riff fest with snarling
vocals, raging artificial harmonics, a lyrical, delay-drenched solo,
and a totally moshable groove.
“Let There Be Angels”
Build a Nation (2007)
Whereas so many artists mellow out and settle down as they age,
Doc, Jennifer, and Earl Hudson send that notion to the afterlife on
this number from the Adam Yauch-produced album—it positively
seethes with some of their fastest, tightest, and most ferociously
chugging grooves ever.
Their 1983 follow-up, Rock for Light, was produced by the Cars’ Ric Ocasek and featured a more metallic edge, but it wasn’t until 1986’s I Against I that the band got any real visibility. Produced by Ron Saint Germain (Sonic Youth, Living Colour, 311), it boasted a masterful blend of dynamics, a more organic-feeling interweaving of styles, and an overall looser, funkier vibe—all complemented by just the right amount of studio polish. It got airplay on MTV and had an undeniable influence on bands like Living Colour, Fishbone, and the Deftones.
But from that point onward, H.R.’s eclectic personality, itinerant tendencies, and desire to focus more on reggae/dub, world music, and jazz, pretty much threw a monkey wrench in Bad Brains’ plans every time things got going in their favor with major labels and high-profile advocates within the industry. He and drummer/brother Earl left and returned to the fold multiple times over the years, and each time Jenifer and Dr. Know would soldier on with various frontmen and drummers, none of whom could hold a candle to H.R. and Earl.
H.R. hasn’t changed a whole lot in the new millennium, either. The 56-year-old is as unpredictable as ever (at a 2006 CBGB's show, he showed up wearing a bulletproof vest, a motorcycle helmet, and a headset mic that made it difficult to hear anything he said), but when he’s guided by a steady hand in the studio—as he was by the late Beastie Boy Adam Yauch (aka MCA) for 2007’s Build a Nation—he’s stepped up to the plate and helped Doc (now 54), Jenifer (52), and brother Paul (55) hit it out of the park.
Last November, the legendary foursome released their 10th studio album, Into the Future. While the vitality and seething energy of H.R.’s youth is understandably in short supply—he’s now more inclined than ever toward reggae-flavored paeans to “PMA” (positive mental attitude)—he still turns in dynamic performances like only he could. Meanwhile, Doc, Jenifer, and Paul Hudson flex their juggernaut chops in all the ways die-hard Brains fans wanted them to—and then some.
We recently spoke with Jenifer and Doc about the sessions for the new album, their go-to gear, and their long, storied career as hardcore legends fighting to get their due.
Into the Future is stacked to the gills
with the sorts of inimitable Bad Brains
grooves that no other trio of musicians
on the planet can replicate—even when
the progressions are simple. What do you
attribute that to?
Darryl Jenifer: We started out in our teens
and early 20s, and it’s about building chemistry.
Our chemistry goes way back to, like,
1978. We’ve played together for so many
years that it doesn’t really matter about the
notes—it’s just the combination of our different
sensibilities about what we’re doing.
When we go to break it down to mosh
sections of chunk, the way Doc mutes his
guitar, the way I like to hear chords and
octaves—it’s all about our sensibilities. It
just comes from playing together—and
struggling together, more than anything.
I shouldn’t even say “playing together,”
because a lot of cats can play together but
they never really develop a chemistry. It’s
about struggling together, living together,
and trying to achieve your goals. I think any
combination of musicians can achieve that.
Gary “Doc” Miller: That’s what it’s about. We went to school together, we’ve known each other for 40 years or more, and we’re brothers—and H.R. and Earl are siblings. [Laughs.] It’s personal and spiritual—it’s all connected.
Does that “chemistry” extend beyond just
musical considerations?
Jenifer: I’m talking about lifestyle chemistry—growing up with each other, knowing
if a cat’s grumpy or likes to joke all the time
or if one guy’s serious. All these personality
traits come together when we sit down
to make music, because we’re brethren—brothers together. We get angry with each
other, we get joyful with each other, and
all of that comes through in the music.
When we say, “All right, Doc, we’re going
to go from G to G# and then we’re going
to break it down here and do this and then
take off really fast”—once we communicate
that to one another, then our chemistry of
knowing and loving each other and going
through shit with each other takes over and,
thus, you have the Bad Brains sound.
Doc, you were a pretty accomplished
fusion bassist before switching to guitar
in the mid to late ’70s, right?
Jenifer: He was a very proficient bass
player. Like, way better than I was—than
I am. Doc is sick on the bass. He was the
dude that everybody wanted to play like
when we were coming up as teenagers. He
was so good on the bass that I didn’t even
want to go around when he was there. He
could play all that Graham Central Station
stuff—like “Hair”—the way it really sounded
on the record.
Doc: Yeah, I used to play the bass back in the day, and Darryl used to play the guitar. We were in garage bands playing funk covers and whatnot.
Did starting out on bass make you
approach guitar differently when you
changed over?
Doc: Absolutely, absolutely. It made me a
foundation and made me a good rhythm
guitar player. It made me understand music
from the roots. A lot of times I write on the
bass or I think like a bassist—I think about
holding it down. Both of us are like that.
Darryl is like a rhythm guitarist and bass
player in one. Every time I play with other
bass players, I’m, like, “Where’s the oomph?”
That’s why we never took on another guitar
player, and that’s why I do my rhythms and
my leads the way I do—because Darryl just
holds it down.
Which players inspired you guys in the
early years?
Doc: I was really influenced by players like
Verdine White [Earth, Wind & Fire] and
Stanley Clarke. It was, like, “Damn—these
dudes are out there.” Verdine is crazy. I
used to dibble and dabble in the fusion of
the early ’70s, too. I’d wear those records
out trying to see what the hell was going
on there. [Laughs.] Return to Forever was
definitely influential on guitar and bass. It
was inspirational for me to start playing the
guitar when Al Di Meola got in [Return
to Forever], because he was so young and
such a badass. I was, like, “Yeah, uh-huh—I
could do this.” [Laughs.] I liked all the
Return to Forever guitarists—Bill Connors,
Johnny Mac [McLaughlin]. I liked Allan
Holdsworth. On bass, it was Larry Graham.
I had the beautiful opportunity to see all
these people over the course of a five-year
span. We saw Earth, Wind & Fire four or
five times, and P-Funk played every month
in their heyday in D.C. Yes, Zappa, Thin
Lizzy, Graham, and all the funk and soul
stuff—Tower of Power. You name it, we
saw it. It was all happening, every week.
Jenifer: As far as rock, it was Sabbath and “Iron Man” and shit like that—but I also grew up with a lot of stuff like John McLaughlin and Return to Forever. That was out when I was young—15 and 16. I listened to a lot of music-school cats when I was coming up, but also a lot of Motown.
You’ll be stoked to hear we’ve got an interview
with Larry Graham in this issue.
Jenifer: That’s my hero! Without him, I
wouldn’t be nobody on the bass. Without
Graham, there’s no DJ, to tell you the truth.
Between him and [James] Jamerson. . . .
Darryl, you started as a guitarist—how
did that come about?
Jenifer: I had a cousin that played the guitar,
and I was really young—about eight years
old—and he had a band, a funkster sort of
band, and I found it fascinating. All the amps
and the chrome and all the sparkling stuff—I
just got attracted to it at a very young age.
My cousin told me if I could learn to play
something then he would let me play in the
band. He wound up selling me his guitar,
and I taught myself how to play stuff like
“Get Ready” by the Temptations—just the
first part, like [hums opening riff]. And then
it grew into a competitive thing, like, going
into the alley—back then it wasn’t about rapping
and all. I’d be out there and I’d say, “I
can play Ohio Players” or whatever. And then
you’d run in the house and get your guitar
and come back out to the alley and show off
that you can play little parts.
How long after that did you start
playing bass?
Jenifer: When I was about 12, the guitar
went in the closet and I started playing with
model cars and riding my bike. Then when
I got to be about 13, I pulled it back out
and got into bands around my neighborhood.
I was in a little band called the Young
Explorers, and we were playing early-’70s
funk. I played rhythm guitar, but every
time the band would take a break, I would
ask the bass guy, “Can I play your bass?” I
used to pay him sometimes—“I’ll give you
three dollars if you let me play your bass for
a little while!” [Laughs.]
Darryl Jenifer with his go-to ’81 Modulus graphite bass at the Virgin Festival in Baltimore, Maryland, on August 5, 2007. Photo by Eddie Malluk
Do you think it affected your style to start
out on guitar and then switch to bass?
Jenifer: Because I was a rhythm guitarist
and I was tuned in to Sly and the Family
Stone—“Thank You (Falletinme Be Mice
Elf Agin)” and all that—I think it gave me
a certain insight. I really know the inner
workings of the motion between rhythm
and bass. Some people hear me say that
I’m not a musician. I give musicians credit
because they took the time to learn music
[theory] and all that, but I have the knack to
lay it down. To lay it down is different than
knowing music. There are a lot of cats that
know music, but they don’t know how to
lay it down. My whole career has been about
inventing my own style on the fretboard. I
look at the fretboard like Braille, in a way—it never meant notes, like, G and F and B
and C to me. I guess I had ADD or something,
because I never really cared about it in
that way. I only cared about it in the way of
creating these little passages and movements.
When you joined up with Doc and the
rest of the band, the roles were a little different
than now, right?
Jenifer: When we got together, Doc was on
guitar and H.R. was playing bass, and Earl
was playing drums. They had a fusion group
called Mind Power, but we all went to the
same high school and hung out in the same
places. Being brothers and dudes in the hood
and all playing music, we all knew each
other. H.R. wanted to be the singer, so he
said, “Let’s get Darryl to play bass.” Earl was
just developing his fusion sensibilities, Doc
was kind of getting into being an intellectual
kind of guitarist—wanting to bring some
sort of spirituality and thoughtfulness to his
playing. He didn’t want to be a shredder. We
wanted to be musicians, not just dudes playing
some shake-your-rump-type shit.
So when we were on this thinking-man’s jazz-fusion trip, I was still listening to rock music, but my buddy Sid McCray came over to my crib and had the Ramones and all that stuff, and I thought it was loud and cool. Having a fusion background and aspiring to be like Return to Forever, and then hearing the Ramones, I just said, “Yo, if cats think this is fast, watch this.” What punk rock brought was a certain freedom to riffs. Bad Brains took the freedom and the raucousness and the roughness of punk rock, but brought a little thoughtfulness to the musicianship.
There are very few musicians on the planet
who take inspiration from Return to
Forever and the Ramones and Sabbath.
Jenifer: Everybody has their blessing—I feel
blessed that I’m versatile. But it’s a struggle.
When I was a teenager, my cousin—who I
love—she used to say, “Darryl, why do you
listen to [fusion]? You’re crazy—you can’t
even dance to that!” There’s a lot of people
that are, like, “How do you get enjoyment
out of listening to [Return to Forever’s]
Romantic Warrior over and over and over and
over?” If they had Romantic Warrior on karaoke
[laughs] . . . I know every riff, measure,
beat . . . everything. I listened to that album
a billion times, and I played the bass till I
fell asleep. As a teenager, I was completely
into it—I didn’t go to school . . . My father
snatched the bass from me one time and
held it up like a hatchet and wanted to hit
me! Every time he saw me, that was all I was
doing. Imagine you’re living with your teenage
son in an apartment in D.C., and every
time you come home from working hard all
day, he’s sitting in there, the place smells like
weed, and he’s playing the bass! [Laughs.]
Doc: We always liked music—from Bob [Marley] to Sabbath to the Clash to the Damned to Return to Forever. We would see these bands, and we never got pigeonholed or stereotyped music. As long as it was good music, we were into it. In the early ’70s, there was a lot of good music, and we were just open—like a sponge. Who’s to say you can’t play whatever you like? That’s why we are who we are. With the metal [influences], it was about the power. With the punk, it was the speed—although a lot of the fusion had the speed, too. It was marrying the power, the musicianship, and the speed to give it that superdynamic-ness.
Jenifer: Washington, D.C., is a really sophisticated music place in general. There was a friend of mine who brought records like Rare Earth and Return to Forever to art class. You’ve got the radio station WPGC, and they’re playing, like, “Taking Care of Business,” then you’ve got go-go music going all the time on the basketball court and everywhere in your life, and then you’ve got your Motown and soul music and your church music—it’s just all a part of your life. So if you’re a musician dude, you’re going to say, “Damn—I like that!”
I used to listen to . . . we used to call it a “white-boy” radio station. I used to be able to play [Kansas’] “Carry on My Wayward Son.” [Sings main riff.] So, as a teenager from a black neighborhood, I would hear it on the radio and know that it was a cool guitar riff. I knew how to play “Iron Man,” I knew how to play the beginning to “Stairway to Heaven.” But also I knew how to play stuff off [famed fusion drummer] Billy Cobham’s Spectrum. I knew how to play [New York City funk band] Mandrill. I knew how to play a lot of the [Larry] Graham stuff.
Were you two and Earl pretty much on
the same page with all of that, or did you
guys introduce each other to new music
and then evolve together because you
were open-minded?
Jenifer: There were different levels between
us all. Earl was more into the jazz-fusion—he was listening to a lot of Earl Klugh and
George Duke—and when it got down
to me, that’s where the Sabbath and the
Zeppelin came from. As far as rock, H.R.
and Earl were more into the Beatles and
stuff like that—stuff I never really listened
to. Doc was more about Mandrill and early
Return to Forever, like, Where Have I Known
You Before—before Romantic Warrior.
So you basically wanted to marry the
musicianship and phrasing of fusion stuff
with the tones and power of metal and
the chaos and freedom of punk?
Doc: Yeah, you could say that. It was the
need for all of that, definitely. I’m sure there
are a lot of musicians who have the same
respect for different types of music, but
were—or are—afraid to pursue that because
of peer pressure.
They pigeonhole themselves because
they’re unsure of how marketable it will
be, you mean?
Doc: Definitely the marketability. I mean,
how do you market us? That’s our biggest
thing. It’s like, “Well, you’re not this and
you’re not that.” We’ve heard it a million
times, “We don’t know what to do with
you guys. It’s [expletive] great, but what
do we do here? What category . . . we can’t
put you on the radio.” [Laughs.] It’s like,
“Whatever . . . we do what we do. Thank
you, but no thank you.”
Why did your first recordings, The
Omega Sessions, not get released for 17
years? They’re incredible—every bit as
good as your first official release.
Jenifer: Y’know, sometimes stuff like that
is just a part of the life you’re living and it’s
not really looked at like a product or something
to be released. But I’d be the wrong
guy to ask that—Doc would probably
know more about that.
Doc: I don’t know what the heck happened, actually. We recorded it in a house. I was in the basement, Darryl was in one of the bedrooms, and H.R. was actually outside. We used a 4-track with big old knobs on the board—big ones. I think it was actually a Radio Shack [recording console] kit. I was, like, “What the hell is this?”
That’s amazing—that album has such a
live sound. It sounds like you’re all in the
same room.
Doc: No, we were all over—wires going
everywhere. That’s why you can hear me say,
“Can you hold this for a second?” [Laughs.]
Gary “Dr. Know” Miller onstage at the 2007 Virgin Festival in Balitmore, Maryland, with “Old Blackie,” an S-style axe with ESP body and neck, and custom DiMarzio pickups. Photo by Eddie Malluk
You guys got some early praise for 1980’s
“Pay to Cum.” Even by today’s standards—
where you can see a crazy-good
8-year-old playing on YouTube—that
bass line is incredibly fast and difficult.
What do you remember about writing
that, Darryl?
Jenifer: Well it wasn’t that fast at first. It
started very slow, but the times change.
We’d play “Pay to Cum” at a show in the
late ’70s and early ’80s, and the kids who
thought we were playing fast would start
their own bands and then they’d play faster
than us. Then we’d end up playing at gigs
where we’d come on after them—so then
we end up playing faster than them. But it
wasn’t conscious. That’s just what happened
when Earl got back there and counted off
with his sticks.
I Against I is often considered the first
fully realized example of all the classic Bad
Brains elements—it’s got hardcore, metal,
and reggae, but it’s also surprisingly funky.
Did Ron [St. Germain, producer] help
forge the Brains sound, or was he merely
witnessing part of your evolution?
Doc: The Spirit produces our records—us
and the Spirit. Ron was influential in capturing
the essence of the music. We went
to a lot of different studios—like, the best
studios in the world. Ron would dial that
shit in and say, “All right, hit it boys—bam!” Ron will shoot from the hip. He’s so
freakin’ talented.
Jenifer: He did some things, but mainly effects, like on “Return to Heaven”—he did the little delay shimmers and stuff that you hear in the chorus. But as far as “House of Suffering” and all the rock shit, no one knows what to do with that except to let us get a good sound and kick it.
As far as the bass lines, I was trying to bring in a little Graham [vibe]. Sometimes I play with a pick and my [plucking-hand] fingers and my thumb on one song. Like on “Secret 77,” I wanted to play the thumb on the verse, and then I dropped to the pick during the bridge, and then my fingers during the chorus. So I go from snapping it—not a real bona fide funky snap, but more of a hybrid funk snap—to regular, lay-it-down and complement-the-chorus- type finger work, like Jamerson.
Do you curl the pick up under one
finger or what?
Jenifer: It’s in the folds in the palm of
my hand, and then I can drop it down
when I need it.
Let’s talk about the new album.
“Popcorn” is prototypical Brains—it’s
got angular, syncopated power chords
ripe for the moshing, but it’s also evolutionary:
Doc, during the choruses
you’re playing these dense, complex
chords that are pretty uncommon to
hear in a setting with such thick distortion.
And Darryl, you’re playing some
of your most overtly funky bass lines
ever. How did that song come about?
Jenifer: That’s a song that’s driven
by H.R. He was in one of his good
moods—like, “It’s on like popcorn with
all the pretty ladies!” That’s a D.C.-like
rock-funk hybrid, a combination of
being from the hood and go-go—like
Chuck Brown meets the Bad Brains.
Doc and I put our minds to the chunk,
but we didn’t want the chunk to be the
same old chunk. Doc is always reaching—always going somewhere else—and
I’m always trying to make it so you
don’t notice that he’s trying to go somewhere
else! I’ll look at him and think,
“Why is he looking for another chord
or somewhere else to go?” I’m more of a
minimalist, and he’s keeping it going. He
knows what he wants to play—he doesn’t
want to play that same old shit.
Doc: I don’t know how we do it—we just do it. Making all the different flavors fit is just second nature to us. We don’t even think about it. It just happens.
But do that many different types of
sounds come together pretty fast, or did
that song get hammered out and evolve
over time?
Doc: Ninety-nine percent of the time, they
just come like that. It’s just, “All right, let’s
go to the B.” “No, let’s go to the C.” “Play
the Z# there. “Okay!” “Y’know that chord
there—that Fmaj7minb5 to the fifth power?
That! Here we go—bweeeeee!” [Laughs.] We
don’t really sit down and beat the damn
songs up—then all of the vibe is gone.
Speaking of musical technicalities, where
did you learn your chord and scale theory?
Doc: Books and just playing, y’know?
I had an old Mel Bay jazz book. And I
would buy Stevie Wonder tablature books
and theory books on [scale] modes and
whatnot. I picked out a few scales that I
liked, and it was like, “Let’s write a new
song. I just learned this scale—let’s start off
with this.”
“Make a Joyful Noise” has some of your
most overt fusion tones ever, with those
Wes Montgomery-type octave parts and
the really clean, modulated tone.
Doc: This record was unique in the respect
that we wrote it in the studio. So we had
to rehearse after we recorded the stuff in
order to learn the songs again—because we
would write and record a song and then
move on to the next one. We said, “Let’s
just go in and roll the dice.” I always try to
keep it fresh for myself so I don’t get bored.
[Laughs.] It’s creativity—you can’t be a
cover band of yourself.
On songs like “Fun,” where there’s this
really badass, syncopated chugging, do
you use a noise gate to make the cutoffs
between grunting chords tight and more
articulate, Doc?
Doc: I mostly mute it with my hands. Live,
I use a little gate, but it’s mostly muting
with the palm.
Let’s talk more about your gear over the years.
Doc: My first guitar was a Bradley Les Paul
copy, but Les Pauls were uncomfortable. I’d get
a belly rash and arm rash—because we were
digging in, y’know? In the CBGB’s DVD [Bad
Brains: Live at CBGB 1982], most of that was
an Ovation [UKII 1291] that Ric Ocasek gave
me during the [Rock for Light] record. It had
two humbuckers and was really light. [Ed. note:
The circa-1980 UKII 1291 had an aluminum
skeleton and a Urelite foam body that looked like
mahogany.] I also had a B.C. Rich Eagle that
got stolen. When they first came out I was a
happy young man—they had all these phasing
switches and different tones! [Laughs.]
I never really liked Strats because they were too tinny, but I got a black parts Strat[-style], which I still play live. That was when ESP first came out and they had the shop over on [New York City’s] 48th Street—they were originally a parts company. Old Blackie has an alder body, which I prefer because it has more oomph. The pickups are DiMarzios that Steve Blucher made for me. The [middle- and neck-position] single-coils are stacked humbuckers.
What about your newer guitars?
Doc: I have this 6-string from a [Swedish]
luthier named Johan Gustavvson that’s
basically a Les Paul Strat—it’s mahogany
with a maple top and Strat[-like] cutaways.
It’s a freakin’ badass guitar! It’s got Duncan
pickups and a blower switch that goes
straight to the humbucker, and three 3-way
coil-tap switches—which is kind of like the
B.C. Rich with all the switches. I’ve also
got a Gustavvson 7-string and a Fernandes
with a Sustainer in it. I use Floyd Roses on
all of them.
Doc, in the early years, you used Marshall
stacks or old Fender combos, but for the
last few years you’ve primarily been using
Mesa/Boogies, right?
Doc: Yeah. Oh man, I could shoot myself
for all the stuff I got rid off. I had a Marshall
that Harry Kolbe modified for me, and
sometimes I borrowed people’s amps, usually
Fender Twins. I’ve been using Boogies
for a minute now. We were on tour with
Living Colour, and Vernon [Reid]’s tech
was a rep at Mesa. Vernon was using the
Dual Rectifiers, but they didn’t have enough
headroom for me. So I A/B/C’d the Marshall
with the Dual and Triple Rectifiers, and the
Triples had good headroom and could hold
the bottom but also clean up like a Twin—because I need to have a very versatile amp. I
use the 6L6 version, because it’s cleaner.
Darryl, are you still using Ampeg heads
and cabs? And did you use your trusty
old ’81 Modulus for Into the Future?
Jenifer: Yeah. I’ve got an old SVT Classic
Anniversary Edition. Live, I use two of
those and two 8x10 cabs. I use one bass—the green Modulus graphite bass. I’ve used
that for all my rock stuff since 1982. When
I first bought it, it wasn’t because of anything
I heard about them. It was because I
knew that it was a material that wouldn’t
have to be babied. Every time I picked
it up, it would feel the same and I could
throw it around and it would fall on the
floor and it would be okay. The bass has a
sound that just stays no matter what.
Dr. Know’s Gear
Guitars
Johan Gustavvson 6- and 7-string guitars
with Seymour Duncan pickups, ESP Sstyle
with custom DiMarzios
Amps
6L6-powered Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier
heads driving Boogie 4x12 cabs
Effects
Line 6 POD HD PRO 500, vintage Uni-Vibe
Strings and Picks
Dunlop Nylon .60 mm picks, DR .009 and
.010 sets with a heavy bottom
Darryl Jenifer’s Gear
Basses
Green 1981 Modulus graphite J-style,
white Modulus J-style (backup)
Amps
Two Ampeg SVT Classic Anniversary
Edition heads driving two Ampeg 8x10 cabs
Strings and Picks
Dunlop .60 mm picks (“But I play with the
butt end”), Rotosound .045 sets
After all the changes over the years, how
do you feel about the new album?
Doc: The records are what they are, though,
y’know? People take months and years to
do records. We go in, record the shit in two,
three days, and then mix a song a day and
that’s it—say, “Goodnight.” [Laughs.]
Jenifer: At this point in our careers, we just have to let the Great Spirit guide us through. We can attribute it to our talents and our perseverance, but at the end of the day it’s the Cosmic Force. To us, we’re a vehicle of the Great Spirit to spread a message of unity—the corny stuff, like hippies say: “Peace and love.” But I’m realizing after 30 years that mainly the message is that you can break the mold of what you’re “supposed” to be. Like, how the Beastie Boys could be the rappers, and we could be the punkers, and the Chili Peppers can be the funkers. There was a time in music when everybody couldn’t do that. But the Great Spirit, not by any choice of ours, made us cats that had to come out there, all black, and shredding. We were dead serious. I can only say, 30 years down the line, that if I was in the crowd when we first came out in D.C., I would’ve said, “Damn!” Because not only did we have our PMA behind us, but we were very competitive about making sure our fusion riffs were jumping off. That’s why I always described our music as progressive punk—we’re thinking about the music. Real punk-rock dudes don’t think about the music—they don’t give a shit.
YouTube It
Need proof of why Bad Brains is considered one of the most influential punk bands of all time?
Check out these clips on YouTube to see the band in its awe-inspiring prime.
In this hour-long 1982 clip of
Bad Brains at the legendary
CBGB’s in New York,
you get an amazing look at
the band’s palpable energy.
Backed by a makeshift wall
of Marshalls, Gary “Dr. Know”
Miller taps out the show
opener, “Big Takeover,” and
then singer Paul “H.R.” Hudson,
bassist Darryl Jenifer
(who, sadly, is off camera
for most of the show), and
drummer Earl Hudson join in
to tear the place apart.
After 12 minutes of footage
showing H.R. prowling the
same CBGB stage as the
human embodiment of hyper-kinetic
energy, the primal frontman
settles down, Miller kicks
on some cavernous reverb,
and the band lays back into
deep reggae grooves as NYC
punks of all shapes and colors
dance alongside them onstage.
If you only watch one portion
of this excellent 25-minute
clip from a 1987 spring-break
gig in Florida, start at the 3:30
mark and witness Miller—equipped with a Charvel
“super strat”—lead the band’s
raging intro to the then-brand-new
song “House of Suffering.”
Immediately after, there’s
an über-funky rendition of
the Beatles’ “Daytripper”
that finds Jenifer getting the
crowd moving with his go-to
Modulus J-style bass.
Weighing only five pounds and armed with a couldn’t-be-easier control set, the solid-state ZT Junior sounds deceptively tube-like in terms of response and warmth.
More and more these days, we see guitar-gear design mirroring the design approach of computer technology—minimizing and miniaturizing while still increasing power. We’ve seen a relative flood of microscopic pedal casings, cigarette-box amps, and lithium cell-powered effects. Like so many new technologies, not all have a lasting presence. But since being founded in 2008, ZT Amplifiers has built a reputation among top-flight players for their very smart efforts to shrink the guitar amplifier. Players like Nels Cline, Jeff Tweedy, and Lee Ranaldo have all embraced the sturdy, light, and tiny ZT amps that produce huge sound.
While you’d be forgiven for thinking ZT couldn’t go much smaller, the company recently released their smallest piece to date—the 35-watt Lunchbox Junior. Weighing in at just five pounds and half the size of its older sibling, the Lunchbox, the Junior is armed with a couldn’t-be-easier control set while offering clever features like an output from which you can power your pedals. Like its big brother, the Junior sounds deceptively tube-like in terms of response and warmth, and given this diminutive amp’s size-to-sound ratio, there may be a new contender for the Micro Amp Land crown.
Smart, Streamlined Features
With just three knobs on the top panel, the
Lunchbox Junior has the fewest controls of
any amp in the product line. But the control
set is not unlike, say, a Fender Champ.
The volume, tone, and gain parameters
work like any familiar amplifier. Turn up
the volume for more output, and increase
gain if you’re looking for more saturation,
crunch, and bite. When the tone control
is at in the 12 o’clock position, you’ll have
a neutral EQ, while turning clockwise will
increase treble/decrease bass, and vice versa.
The back panel is where the Junior really has an upper hand in the micro-amp competition. The power cord is detachable, which makes the Junior even better suited for travel. ZT also added an 1/8" headphone/line out jack for those times you want to use the amp in stealth back at the hotel room, backstage, or late night in the bedroom. It’s also worth noting that a 1/8" jack is typically way easier to track down, more compact, and eliminates the need for a 1/4" inch adaptor that many amps require. Another perk is the 12V DC input that can be used for an aftermarket ZT battery pack or cigarette lighter adaptor. (That’s right—you can jam in the back of the van!) And the 9V DC output can be used to power your effects pedals—eliminating the need for wall warts and batteries. Now you won’t have to fire up a generator to add killer amp sounds—and for that matter, wah, fuzz, and delay for your campfire sing-alongs. “On Top of Old Smokey” will never sound the same.
It’s clear from a single look that the Lunchbox Junior is built to travel. ZT went for a slick, metal-flake finish on the fiberboard casing that won’t scuff or tear, and also gives it the cool look of a glam-rock MacBook Pro. The single, 5" speaker is shielded by a metal grate that lends a street-tough visual appeal—wearing the reflective ZT badge like a button on a jean jacket. Overall, the Junior is stylish and impressively built—tough enough to stand road brutality, and cool looking enough to sit in the living room next to your record collection.
This Mouse Screams!
One of the keys to getting the most out of
the Junior is to set it up high. I suppose
you could get away with placing it on the
floor with a mic, but for the sake of projection
and better access to the controls, you
should put the little guy in a high chair.
With a Telecaster in hand and all the dials
around 12 o’clock, the Junior sang at a very
suitable studio or bedroom volume. That
said, the 35 watts on tap means the Junior
can easily put out enough power to wake
the neighbors.
As far as the tone goes, the ZT Lunchbox Junior has a very cool thing going on. Like the ZT Club (reviewed in the May 2010 issue), there is a fantastic, tube-like warmth that you just don’t hear in many solid-state rigs—and certainly not solid-state amps of this size. When strumming a simple 1st position chord with the Tele, I heard a character-rich set of overtones and each note had a pleasing roundness—instead of the brittle, sterile harshness that steers most folks away from solid-states.
Ratings
Pros:
Small size and characterful tones. Thoughtful,
convenient features.
Cons:
Not very at home in high-gain environments.
Tones:
Ease of Use:
Build:
Value:
Street:
$149
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It’s useful to become familiar with the interplay between the volume and gain parameters. They effect each other significantly and it’s easy to muddy up an otherwise sweet tone if you’re not careful. Singlecoils seemed best able to withstand heavy gain without falling into this trap. Keeping the Junior’s volume around 3 o’clock will produce a nice Fender-y punch—that smoky, dark twang that’s perfect for a bluesman. A Les Paul’s humbuckers will drive the speaker into less pleasing distortion zones when the gain and volume are cranked. Adding treble with the tone knob can help clean up the mud a little bit, but heavy crunch at maximum volumes isn’t the Junior’s best hand. There’s a reason ZT has found fans in players like Cline and Ranaldo—guitarists that work from cleaner, more detailed, fundamental amp tones. And it’s no surprise that that the Junior is an excellent base for pedal enthusiasts. Dialing up a neutral tone and throwing your favorite dirtboxes in the mix feels second nature with the Junior, and the clarity and harmonic depth of the amp works well with pedal overdrive.
The Verdict
With its 5" speaker, the Lunchbox Junior
certainly won’t be the right stage amp for
everyone. But it’s much, much more than
just a simple practice amp. With a tonal
foundation that blows away most small solid-state amps, this ZT will be a lifesaver for
everything from live-radio sessions to smaller
gigs when you don’t want to hassle with a
larger combo. The size-to-volume ratio is
nothing short of remarkable. And the design
has a cool, retro/modern feel that is likely to
please aesthetes from both sides of the fence.
It’s a nice step away from the plastic chunkiness
that dooms a lot of compact amps.
And at $149, the ZT Lunchbox Junior isn’t
much more than your average stomp box.
If it’s good tone in a tiny package that you
require, this is a very smart deal indeed.
Tom Petersson—conceptualizer of the 12-string bass and original low-end man for Cheap Trick—gives Premier Guitar a glimpse at some of the rare gems in his vast collection of vintage guitars and basses
Tom Petersson
Petersson is a bassist's bassist. He's the founding member of and lowend provider for iconic American rock band Cheap Trick, inventor of the 12-string bass, and revered for a tone that's all his own. He's also the curator of a very impressive personal collection of basses and guitars: from highly collectible vintage pieces, to fiercely unique one-offs from small-scale builders, to prototypes from the big manufacturers that only a handful of musicians will ever see or touch. Petersson recently shared a handful of his instrument candy with Premier Guitar, and, take it from us: these fine specimens will make just about any player drool.