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Drozd joined the Lips as a drummer, but shortly after he was called upon to record additional guitar tracks on Transmissions from the Satellite HeartandClouds Taste Metallicin the early ’90s. Once long-time guitarist Ronald Jones left the band in the mid ’90s, Drozd became the guy that helped balance the spinning plates. After nearly 20 years of rocking with the Lips, he’s played live and recorded drums, guitars, keyboards and vocals. He even found time to be the lead character—Major Syrtis—in the Flaming Lips’ 2008 filmChristmas on Mars. Most recently, the Lips released their 14th studio album,Embryonic, in late 2009 and are currently on tour with Stardeath and White White Dwarfs and playingDark Side of the Moonin its entirety. All the while, Drozd and Lips frontman Wayne Coyne have been helping teach courses for music performance and production at the Academy of Contemporary Music at the University of Central Oklahoma.
Premier Guitarcaught up with Drozd during some unheard-of downtime and we talked about transitioning from drums to guitar, collecting vintage stompboxes, and trolling eBay for quirky guitars.
What are your first memories when it comes to music?
Since my dad was a musician in both country-western and polka bands, the house always had some type of music being played. It was nice, because my dad gave me the country-western and polka stuff, my older brothers rocked to Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and other stoner rock bands, and my sister was always buying the Top 40 albums. So I had a pretty healthy variety of music in my childhood. My first personal taste of music was probably finding out what the AM radio had to offer, like the song “Jackie Blue” by the Ozark Mountain Daredevils and other ’70s pop/rock hits.
While you’ve been the Lips’ full-time guitarist for nearly 15 years, you joined as a drummer. How did you get introduced to the drums?
When I was a bout 6 years old, my dad bought me this little toy drum kit because I was always watching him practice and play, so I wanted to join in on the fun. That following Christmas, my dad bought me a real bass drum, snare and cymbal and said to me, “Play these things and if you’re still doing this in six months and getting better, I’ll keep buying you pieces as you progress.” With these three pieces I’d just wail away for hours, and within two years I had a full drum kit. It was great, because even at, like, 11 or 12 years old, I had a pretty steady gig rotating around with all the garage bands in the neighborhood [laughs]. I guess it’s true, drummers always have a gig. I even jammed with my dad’s country-western band and learned the basics and 4/4 time. Drums were my first love and, in some basic ways, the easiest for me to sit down and play.
How did you make your way to the guitar?
After playing drums with my dad’s band, I started to hate it when I was about 13 years old because it seemed boring when I was listening to the Police and Rush—I just wanted to rock! We always had this old Gibson SG in the house. Dad didn’t play, it just sat there. And when I was about 16, I finally just picked it up and tried learning some basic chords. Drums were such a physical thing—you could just use and abuse the kit and sticks—but guitar just appealed to me because it seemed like you could really concentrate on things. And it was more of a cool sound thing. He also had an Ibanez AD9 Analog Delay and a Peavey combo lying around, and so it just clicked because I was into those spacey prog sounds. I remember the first solo I learned to play because of that AD9 was U2’s “New Year’s Day.”
What struck me about playing guitar was that you could really make it about the sounds and there were no boundaries. With drums, you have the kit and everything was pretty standard. It just depended on how fast and hard you’d play, whereas with the guitar and effects, you could just finagle with sounds and tones for hours. I just liked that freedom and still do.
You joined the Flaming Lips in 1991 as a drummer, but you transitioned to guitar in the mid ’90s. How did that unfold?
When we were recording bothTransmissions from the Satellite HeartandClouds Taste Metallic, I was drumming but I also laid down as much guitar as Wayne and Ronald. The only thing with those records is you can pretty much name Ronald’s parts because of his out-of-this-world guitar playing and crazy tones. I ended up playing a lot of rhythm stuff, but for the songs I wrote and created with Wayne I’d lay down the track as we came up with it, and then Ronald would come along and sprinkle his magical guitar tones and insanity on it. So by the time he left the band, I was drumming and also recording guitar parts as the band’s unofficial second guitarist. It was more of a question on a performance level. We had to decide if I was going to stay drumming or move over to guitars and keyboards and get a new drummer.
For a couple years, as a conscious decision, we shifted our musical persuasion in a new direction. We started using backing tracks, noise and other stuff we could create in the studio, and synched it up with these movies that Wayne was making for our live shows. During those three years, we weren’t really playing as a rock band so we all evolved with our musical direction. We never really sat down and pondered how we would fill Ronald’s spot on guitar or my seat on drums—we just kept our creative juices flowing and worked with what we had. We got away from our rock mentality and created some totally different stuff. If we tried that now, we might fall flat on our faces, but back then, in the mid to late ’90s, it seemed really exciting and bold, considering the trends of the time. So for us to be up there with no live drummer and playing with backing tracks, orchestral stuff and movies seemed like a crazy thing and it just worked out for us. And since then we’ve slowly come back full circle to being a full-on, intense rock band again.
As a guitarist, what did you take away from collaborating with a guy who was so deep into crazy sounds and effects?
What people don’t know about Ron is that, technically speaking, he could sit down and plug straight into an amp and just blow your mind as a straight-ahead guitarist. It just so happened he was a master of effects as well. People looked down on him for using Eventide Harmonizers, but the fact of the matter is Ronald could simply play. In addition, he built his own effects, constructed his own pedalboard and tweaked the effects he bought.
What I pulled from him mainly boiled down to two areas: focusing on becoming a technically sound guitarist and using and manipulating effects in a manner to create sounds only the Flaming Lips could use [laughs]. Obviously, since I first picked up the guitar, I was really into making sounds, so the latter was something that really struck me. But after playing and being around Ronald all those years, I figured out that to effectively use and complement those tones completely, you still had to be a solid guitarist. Many players tend to use effects to cloak holes in their abilities, whereas Ron used them to take his playing abilities into another universe. The only person I can remember during that time that played like that was Kevin Shields [from My Bloody Valentine and Primal Scream]. But even so, Ronald was using ring modulators in a way that nobody else was coming close to at the time. Besides the actual composition of guitar parts, you always have to focus on the outgoing sound of it. And to this day, I think of Ronald when I’m crafting songs.
Were you also influenced by Ronald’s DIY mentality with effects, or do you just stick to playing them?
I’m definitely just a collector and player. While my touring board is quite pathetic—a Line 6 DL4 Delay Modeler, Line 6 FM4 Filter Modeler and a Boss GT-8—I’ve been buying up vintage stompboxes like mad in the last two years. I’ve started to get quite a collection—about 120. As for the coolest or rare stuff, I’ve gotten my hands on some Systech stuff, including the Harmonic Energizer, Overdrive and Phase Shifter. I’d love to get my hands on a Ludwig Phase II Synthesizer or a Binson Echorec—the ones Pink Floyd used in the ’60s and ’70s—but that stuff has just gotten too expensive.
Who are some of the other guitarists that have influenced you?
[Laughs] Oh man, I’m sure you hear it all the time—it’s got to be Jimmy Page. For me it’s different, though, because I’m not really into the hard-rock Page. I’m more into theHouses of the HolyPage stuff, particularly “The Song Remains the Same.” It wasn’t heavy or rocking at all—it’s almost like country or bluegrass, just through an electric guitar. Also, I’m really into his weird tunings and overall guitar sounds on stuff like “The Rain Song.” That kind of stuff has really influenced me in my playing and dabbling in alternative tunings. Another one is Steve Howe, because he was such a technically proficient player, but he’s gottone. It’s just amazing and completely Steve, by way of his big ol’ ES-175. And more recent guys would be Duane Denison of The Jesus Lizard and J Mascis of Dinosaur Jr.
With your ever-growing collection of stompboxes, do you craft songs for specific boxes or do you just get spontaneous ideas while jamming on a random pedal?
OnEmbryonic, I would just get a signal chain brewed up on a whim or because it would create one hell of a commotion. At the beginning of the album, you hear these squawks from a Roland Funny Cat and then something that sounds like Godzilla. All that noise is my ’66 Fender XII through the Ampeg Scrambler and MuTron digital delay, which gives this crazy feedback-noise effect. We just had stuff out waiting to be toyed with.
Drozd (right) and Coyne put on one of their always animated stage shows. Photo: J. Michelle Martin-Coyne