The Sepultura guitarist joins fellow South American rock power players to expand heavy metal’s sound on their sophomore album. His tools: a fleet of Jacksons, an EVH, Orange amps, and a wide-open playbook.
De La Tierra may be the most famous heavy metal band you’ve never heard of—comprised of members of some of South America’s more popular rock groups, including A.N.I.M.A.L., Sepultura, Los Fabulosos Cadillacs, and Maná. And though each player’s primary band sounds drastically different, on their sophomore offering, simply titled II, these musicians are united in the common goal of creating heavy and aggressive music. That, and lyrics sung in Spanish and Portuguese, with more than a little Latin musical influence in the mix, has shaped De La Tierra into an international force to be reckoned with.
The seeds of the band were planted in 2008 when Maná drummer Alex González and A.N.I.M.A.L. vocalist Andrés Giménez first discussed coming together for the simple joy of playing heavy music. That quickly snowballed into creating a new band with Sepultura axeman Andreas Kisser and Los Fabulosos Cadillacs bassist Sr. Flavio. Although De La Tierra is comprised of high-profile musicians, they’re quick to point out that they weren’t pieced together with a lot of money on the table. “We’re not a supergroup or anything,” Kisser says. “We’re basically a garage band.”
The lion’s share of the writing is done by Giménez and Kisser. Both guitarists’ metal backgrounds have a huge influence on the overall sound. But even González, with his pop-rock day job, and Sr. Flavio, whose main band tilts toward ska, have a love for heavier styles, making them a perfect rhythm section behind Kisser and Giménez’s churning riffs. All together, their sound is of an unashamed metal band that keeps eyes and ears open for new influences, instruments, and sounds—especially when those influences originate from their native homelands in Latin America.
De La Tierra’s 2014 self-titled debut album was a window into a band whose members were getting to know each other and discovering their sound and capabilities. After extensive South American touring, bonding as musicians and friends, and adding even more sonic elements, the band is at full stride on II, a Ross Robinson-produced slab of down-tuned metal that proves there is no pretense within this group.
Speaking with Premier Guitar from his home in São Paulo, Brazil, Andreas Kisser got in-depth about the band and its passion for employing the cultural and musical influences of its members’ homelands. “When we were first touring outside of Brazil with Sepultura, it was like the analogy of an astronaut seeing the Earth for the first time from the moon,” he says. “We realized how unique it is and that it can be really heavy. De La Tierra is the same.” It’s that outlook and their mission to continue growing that defines De La Tierra. And remember, label them whatever you will, but don’t call them a supergroup.
With each member coming from such diverse rock ’n’ roll backgrounds, what has it been like forming and growing De La Tierra?
We never really played together before we recorded the first album, but the chemistry we had at rehearsals in Buenos Aires was amazing. We arranged 10 songs in 10 days. We were talking the same [musical] language and going the same direction. Then we did a lot of touring, including a tour with Metallica in South America. So now we have that shared experience and we know each other better. It feels like a band now. You can feel the difference between the first album and the second. It feels like we’re more alive and more connected.
Was playing metal always the goal, or just the natural outcome of each of your influences?
The aim was always to play heavy music with melody, guitar leads, groove, and everything. But I think it’s cool to respect others’ different styles and incorporate these Latin influences we have naturally. And I think the name De La Tierra is important to get that kind of freedom. When we were looking for a name, the first suggestions were too connected to the metal apocalyptic world, with skulls and stuff. It was almost cheesy. So De La Tierra was chosen to show that we are from a certain part of the world. De La Tierra means “from the land,” so we had a lot of freedom to do anything inside of heavy music.
What’s it like playing clubs and starting again with a fresh project?
It’s great. I think we needed that, because when we announced De La Tierra, people started calling it a supergroup and stuff like that. And we said, “No. We’re a new band.” The careers we have with our own bands don’t matter. Yeah, we have more experience and we’re more mature and more professional. But we have no manager or reality show that put us together. We just wanted to be together to play music. And that’s very important. It’s crucial that we have the real intention to be together and not to only satisfy a certain thing. So it’s great that we go back and play small clubs. It’s a whole education process to make a band real.
Your debut was self-produced by the band. For II you chose to work with Ross Robinson, who’s produced Korn, Slipknot, and At the Drive-In. Why him?
On the first one we didn’t feel comfortable with bringing someone from the outside, because we weren’t sure what would happen. We needed to know each other better and know our limitations to know what limitations we could break. But we used different studios and we recorded kinda separate. So it was important for this one to be more connected and to have someone from outside, like Ross Robinson, who is an amazing producer and a great friend.
Ross was very excited to work with us. He brought new energy to the band. I’ve made two albums with him in Sepultura: Roots and The Mediator Between Head and Hands Must Be the Heart. Every time you work with Ross, you grow up. Not only as a musician, but as a person, because he’s a very organic guy. He’s very spiritual. We talk a lot about the meaning of lyrics—why we do this and that. And through that process we connected to each other. It made us stronger. It was amazing. We’re a much better band now because of everything that we did with him in the studio.
What did he add that wasn’t on the first album?
He brought things to the vocals, to the effects, and helped change the arrangements in ways that took the songs to a totally different direction compared to the demos that we had. And we were ready for that—to have someone that could challenge us. We needed that kind of coaching and challenge to shape the band up and break our limits. Every producer—that’s the mission. They are part of the band in the studio. Ross was the fifth member of the band. He had total freedom to say whatever he felt like and make suggestions.
Ross is famous for his methods for getting a raw and pure sound. How did you guys achieve that?
When we tracked the drums, we were in the same very small room together, sweating our asses off. And we could be closed in that place from two to four hours. When Alex was ready to record, we were all there to play with him, keeping that vibe and that energy. And then we went and did the guitars and the bass and stuff. But for the main intention and energy of the song, we were there together in the room with Alex. And that’s very important. So even when we’re doing overdubs, when I’m in the studio recording guitar, it feels like I’m in the same room with everybody. It’s very intense. Ross knows how to keep that intensity on the recording.
The album goes from the heavy-hitting “Señales” to the dub-style sounds on “Dois Portais.” What led you to explore such a wide variety of styles and sounds?
We always keep our minds and ears open, and we have the privilege of traveling the world. We go to different countries and meet new people and hear new music. You find new instruments you’ve never seen before, and we keep our possibilities open. That’s the spirit.
Art is risky, you know? If it’s not risky, you’re basically copying yourself or someone else. Art happens under the risk territory. It’s not something you can write out on paper. You have to try things with your instruments. If it works, great. If it doesn’t work, great as well!
Sepultura has been a single-guitar band since rhythm guitarist and vocalist Max Cavalera left in 1996. In De La Tierra, Andrés shares guitar duties with you. How are you enjoying the two-guitar approach again?It’s really cool, because Andrés, like Max as well, and I play very different. And that makes the music interesting. But you must have a connection. Kerry King and Jeff Hanneman, Iron Maiden, and Judas Priest—those guys were basically married to each other. It sounds like one guitar player. And me and Max had 10 to 12 years to learn how to play with each other. He played on only four strings and I did more of the leads, so we kind of found our place.
With Andrés, it was very difficult at first, because we’d never played together. We were trying to find the best way to become comfortable with each other. We did a great job on the first album. We found a way to respect each other and, at the same time, enhance each other’s playing. And after all the touring it was much easier. We knew each other much better and it was fun. I wouldn’t say I miss it in Sepultura, because we’re doing something else. But me and Andrés still have a lot to learn from each other. It’s only going to get better.
Kisser plays his EVH Striped Series guitar while tracking the new De La Tierra album. The instrument’s S-style shape fits right into his aesthetic bag.
How do you two split up guitar parts?
I do some rhythm, but I do more of the lead part so Andrés can focus on the rhythm as well as the vocals. I try to find the high notes that offer something different.
Do you feel your playing evolved or expanded on this album?
I hope so, man. I keep my eyes and ears open all the time. I play every day regardless if I’m on tour or not. And I’m always writing. I don’t necessarily write for De La Tierra or Sepultura. I just write. And it may go to a soundtrack, a movie, or whatever. So I keep that kind of rhythm going all the time. And I always try to be aware of new countries and new places, new people, musicians that play new instruments, or even musicians that play guitar a different way. That always helps to open new possibilities for my playing. That’s why every Sepultura album is so different. And in De La Tierra it’s happening the same.
You’ve created a very identifiable tone throughout your career. How do you get that sound in the studio?
In the studio I like to be open to any possibilities. Of course, I had my Jackson Randy Rhoads and Soloists. And I have Fender Stratocasters. But in the studio I have more options. Ross had some instruments and I have some friends that I’d borrow from, like an SG or Les Paul, or even a baritone guitar or sitar guitar. And amps as well. I use Orange onstage, which I love, and in the studio. But I also used a Peavey 5150, a Diezel, and a Marshall head. And even combos like a Vox. I’m not the kind of musician who has to only play that guitar and that amp and that pedal. I have my preferences, but in the studio you have to be open to certain situations, because anything can happen. That’s how you grow.
Playing with different instruments gives you different challenges. And facing them—that’s how you get better. So I welcome those challenges. That’s where you’re really alive. I like something that makes me really sweat for it. And then when you hear the results you feel like you actually achieved something.
Andreas Kisser’s Gear
Guitars
• Jackson Randy Rhoads Flying V (U.S.-made, with EMG 81 pickups)
• Jackson Randy Rhoads Flying V (U.S.-made, with EMG James Hetfield “Het Set” pickups)
• EVH Striped Series
• Jackson Soloist SL3X (U.S.-made, with Seymour Duncan JB Classic Stack Plus single-coils)
Amps
• Orange Rockerverb 100 MKII
• 4 Orange 4x12s
Effects
• Boss ES-8 Effects Switching System
• Boss DD-500 Digital Delay
• Boss PS-6 Harmonist
• Boss GE-7 Graphic Equalizer
• MXR Phase 90
• MXR EVH-117 Flanger
• Hotone Grass overdrive
• Morley ABC selector/combiner switch
• Dunlop Cry Baby Andreas Kisser Signature Wah
Strings, Picks, and Accessories
• SG Andreas Kisser signature (.010–.036, .013–.060, .013–.056 sets)
• Dunlop Tortex 1.0 mm
• Tecniforte Andreas Kisser signature cables
What about your live rig?
The Randy Rhoads model is my favorite guitar. I have one from ’93 that I’m going to bring on the road with Sepultura. I have another one from 2010 with EMG pickups. One of them has Seymour Duncans. I also have the Duncan Black Winter pickups in one of my Charvels. And I love Stratocasters. I’m so happy to have this relationship with Fender for almost 20 years now. I use Strats a lot. It’s a design that I respect so much. It’s so diverse. You can go anywhere with a Stratocaster. And the shape! Ritchie Blackmore, Clapton, and Jimi Hendrix made the guitar have that magical aura. But it’s the Jackson Randy Rhoads that fits better for me.
Which Orange amps are you using live?
I’ve been using the Rockerverb MKII for four or five years now, and I’m a very happy man. I don’t use distortion pedals. I put the guitar straight to the amp. You feel the wood and feel more of the pickup. You feel more of everything and get a more truthful sound. I have pedals like my Cry Baby wah-wah and delays and stuff. But for distortion I like to have the straight pure sound from the head. For leads, I don’t use a boost or anything. I feel more comfortable working that way.
That’s what I like the most about Orange. It’s a very honest and very truthful sound. And very heavy as well. I was very skeptical at first. Of course, Black Sabbath played Orange. But I always connected it more to grunge and a kind of alternative-rock sound. But when I tried the Rockerverb MKII, I was blown away. It’s so clear and still very full in the bottom end. It’s great for leads and everything.
You’re known for a huge wah sweep. What type of Cry Baby do you use?
I’m so honored to have a signature Cry Baby. It was only released here [in South America]. It doesn’t have a switch. It’s like their 95Q. It has a Q and volume and a boost button on the side. It’s been working amazingly. It’s beautiful as well. It has the tribal Sepultura “S” logo. I’d been using the Dunlop Cry Baby for so many years, and I got the opportunity to have the signature model. I want to get it released worldwide. We’ll see what happens.
What strings and tunings do you use?
For my strings, I work with a Brazilian brand called SG Strings. They have a long tradition of making strings in Brazil. I also have a signature set with them. And they’ve been working great. I’ve been using them all over the world and on the past four or five Sepultura albums. They’re a Brazilian industry that makes everything here, and many of the machines are even built here.
I use .010s and .013s for the heavier sounds, which I use for De La Tierra. I use Db tuning with both bands. And I use D tuning for Sepultura as well.
Speaking of Brazil, the band is very proud of its Latin American roots. How is that translating in non-Latin-speaking countries?
We played in New York at Webster Hall. And we played at the Roxy in Los Angeles. Of course, you have a huge Latin community. It was great to see that they’re aware of De La Tierra. But our intention is to break that kind of barrier. Not to only play in Latin America, or the States, or Spain. We want to go Germany, to Holland, and to Japan. We had some great opportunities with the first album. But hopefully with this one we’ll have the chance to go to non-Spanish- or Portuguese-speaking countries and make a career outside here.
How has reaction been to the new material?
It’s been great! Really cool. I think the reaction for the first album was really amazing. The first show we did with De La Tierra ever was opening for Metallica in Bogotá, Colombia. And we already saw some De La Tierra flags and stuff. It was so great seeing the Maná fans, Sepultura fans, Los Fabulosos Cadillacs fans, and A.N.I.M.A.L. fans all together. And they were there to support De La Tierra. It was very motivating.
And now the second album came out and the reaction has been very positive. People are anxious to see us onstage again, but we have to work with everybody’s calendars. That’s our biggest challenge.
Does the band plan to do more touring behind II?
We have nothing planned yet. Sepultura’s going on tour right now. And I know Maná is doing a lot of stuff, and A.N.I.M.A.L. is on tour. But the plan is to try to put Sepultura, De La Tierra, and A.N.I.M.A.L. together. That would be an amazing tour, you know? A real traditional Latin tour. Then we could go to the States and wherever. Hopefully we’ll have the chance—if not this year, maybe next.
Can fans expect a third De La Tierra album?
Definitely. We want to have a long career and expand our possibilities and grow up as a band.
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Catch the Latin influence in the phrasing of Andreas Kisser’s solo, which starts at 3:40 in the official video for De La Tierra’s “Maldita Historia” from their 2014 debut. He’s since retired the Charvel from his 6-string lineup in the band, and is now playing three Jacksons and an EVH.
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We know Horsegirl as a band of musicians, but their friendships will always come before the music. From left to right: Nora Cheng, drummer Gigi Reece, and Penelope Lowenstein.
The Chicago-via-New York trio of best friends reinterpret the best bits of college-rock and ’90s indie on their new record, Phonetics On and On.
Horsegirl guitarists Nora Cheng and Penelope Lowenstein are back in their hometown of Chicago during winter break from New York University, where they share an apartment with drummer Gigi Reece. They’re both in the middle of writing papers. Cheng is working on one about Buckminster Fuller for a city planning class, and Lowenstein is untangling Austrian writer Ingeborg Bachmann’s short story, “Three Paths to the Lake.”
“It was kind of life-changing, honestly. It changed how I thought about womanhood,” Lowenstein says over the call, laughing a bit at the gravitas of the statement.
But the moment of levity illuminates the fact that big things are happening in their lives. When they released their debut album, 2022’s Versions of Modern Performance, the three members of Horsegirl were still teenagers in high school. Their new, sophomore record, Phonetics On and On, arrives right in the middle of numerous first experiences—their first time living away from home, first loves, first years of their 20s, in university. Horsegirl is going through changes. Lowenstein notes how, through moving to a new city, their friendship has grown, too, into something more familial. They rely on each other more.
“If the friendship was ever taking a toll because of the band, the friendship would come before the band, without any doubt.”–Penelope Lowenstein
“Everyone's cooking together, you take each other to the doctor,” Lowenstein says. “You rely on each other for weird things. I think transitioning from being teenage friends to suddenly working together, touring together, writing together in this really intimate creative relationship, going through sort of an unusual experience together at a young age, and then also starting school together—I just feel like it brings this insane intimacy that we work really hard to maintain. And if the friendship was ever taking a toll because of the band, the friendship would come before the band without any doubt.”
Horsegirl recorded their sophomore LP, Phonetics On and On, at Wilco’s The Loft studio in their hometown, Chicago.
These changes also include subtle and not-so-subtle shifts in their sophisticated and artful guitar-pop. Versions of Modern Performance created a notion of the band as ’90s college-rock torchbearers, with reverb-and-distortion-drenched numbers that recalled Yo La Tengo and the Breeders. Phonetics On and On doesn’t extinguish the flame, but it’s markedly more contemporary, sacrificing none of the catchiness but opting for more space, hypnotic guitar lines, and meditative, repeated phrases. Cheng and Lowenstein credit Welsh art-pop wiz Cate Le Bon’s presence as producer in the studio as essential to the sonic direction.
“On the record, I think we were really interested in Young Marble Giants—super minimal, the percussiveness of the guitar, and how you can do so much with so little.”–Nora Cheng
“We had never really let a fourth person into our writing process,” Cheng says. “I feel like Cate really changed the way we think about how you can compose a song, and built off ideas we were already thinking about, and just created this very comfortable space for experimentation and pushed us. There are so many weird instruments and things that aren't even instruments at [Wilco’s Chicago studio] The Loft. I feel like, definitely on our first record, we were super hesitant to go into territory that wasn't just distorted guitar, bass, and drums.”
Nora Cheng's Gear
Nora Cheng says that letting a fourth person—Welsh artist Cate Le Bon—into the trio’s songwriting changed how they thought about composition.
Photo by Braden Long
Effects
- EarthQuaker Devices Plumes
- Ibanez Tube Screamer
- TC Electronic Polytune
Picks
- Dunlop Tortex .73 mm
Phonetics On and On introduces warm synths (“Julie”), raw-sounding violin (“In Twos”), and gamelan tiles—common in traditional Indonesian music—to Horsegirl’s repertoire, and expands on their already deep quiver of guitar sounds as Cheng and Lowenstein branch into frenetic squonks, warped jangles, and jagged, bare-bones riffs. The result is a collection of songs simultaneously densely textured and spacious.
“I listen to these songs and I feel like it captures the raw, creative energy of being in the studio and being like, ‘Fuck! We just exploded the song. What is about to happen?’” Lowenstein says. “That feeling is something we didn’t have on the first record because we knew exactly what we wanted to capture and it was the songs we had written in my parents’ basement.”
Cheng was first introduced to classical guitar as a kid by her dad, who tried to teach her, and then she was subsequently drawn back to rock by bands like Cage The Elephant and Arcade Fire. Lowenstein started playing at age 6, which covers most of her life memories and comprises a large part of her identity. “It made me feel really powerful as a young girl to know that I was a very proficient guitarist,” she says. The shreddy playing of Television, Pink Floyd’s spacey guitar solos, and Yo La Tengo’s Ira Kaplan were all integral to her as Horsegirl began.
Penelope Lowenstein's Gear
Penelope Lowenstein likes looking back at the versions of herself that made older records.
Photo by Braden Long
Effects
- EarthQuaker Westwood
- EarthQuaker Bellows
- TC Electronic PolyTune
Picks
- Dunlop Tortex 1.0 mm
Recently, the two of them have found themselves influenced by guitarists both related and unrelated to the type of tunes they’re trading in on their new album. Lowenstein got into Brazilian guitar during the pandemic and has recently been “in a Jim O’Rourke, John Fahey zone.”
“There’s something about listening to that music where you realize, about the guitar, that you can just compose an entire orchestra on one instrument,” Lowenstein says. “And hearing what the bass in those guitar parts is doing—as in, the E string—is kind of mind blowing.”
“On the record, I think we were really interested in Young Marble Giants—super minimal, the percussiveness of the guitar, and how you can do so much with so little,” Cheng adds. “And also Lizzy Mercier [Descloux], mostly on the Rosa Yemen records. That guitar playing I feel was very inspiring for the anti-solo,[a technique] which appears on [Phonetics On and On].”This flurry of focused discovery gives the impression that Cheng and Lowenstein’s sensibilities are shifting day-to-day, buoyed by the incredible expansion of creative possibilities that setting one’s life to revolve around music can afford. And, of course, the energy and exponential growth of youth. Horsegirl has already clocked major stylistic shifts in their brief lifespan, and it’s exciting to have such a clear glimpse of evolution in artists who are, likely and hopefully, just beginning a long journey together.
“There’s something about listening to that music where you realize, about the guitar, that you can just compose an entire orchestra on one instrument.”–Penelope Lowenstein
“In your 20s, life moves so fast,” Lowenstein says. “So much changes from the time of recording something to releasing something that even that process is so strange. You recognize yourself, and you also kind of sympathize with yourself. It's a really rewarding way of life, I think, for musicians, and it's cool that we have our teenage years captured like that, too—on and on until we're old women.”
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Last summer, Horsegirl gathered at a Chicago studio space to record a sun-soaked set of new and old tunes.